NO PARTY KICKS!

[Kayo]

I'm entirely certain I'm not the only one that would rather be told I was scrubbing it up and to get good or get out than be told what a special little flower I am regardless of the fact that I've been hitting the wrong mob for several minutes while ignoring the pleas of my party to follow the marks.

Where is anything about this thread or the person you quoted suggesting people just tell bad players theyre a special snowflake and to continue as they were? There is a difference between being told youre not doing well or doing something wrong and skipping straight to screaming, insulting, and kicking someone for something minor and/or unintentional. The faster some of you learn this simple difference the faster youll stop infesting the rest of the community with your negativity and intolerance (for lack of a better, and bannable, word).

[Lurkios]

There is a difference between being told youre not doing well or doing something wrong and skipping straight to screaming, insulting, and kicking someone for something minor and/or unintentional. The faster some of you learn this simple difference the faster youll stop infesting the rest of the community with your negativity and intolerance (for lack of a better, and bannable, word).

Ah, a demonstration - how lovely.

[Xandim]

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I don't think people are saying bullying is ok (was there even proof of that?) but if you get kicked from a party for whatever reason yeah, it sucks (specially when you are a DPS and waited for like 1h in a roulette) but crying and vomiting on a toilet seat for that is a little too much? Maybe she had other problems and that was just a trigger? We can't know for sure tho, but to me reacting like that over a party kick IS too much and she might use the help of a professional.

[ReplicaX]

Your main complaint is about afking and cutscenes. You don't even clearly state the actual abuse or harassment your friend received, yet go into detail about their reaction.

The game currently has in it's vote kick system reasoning of:

It even has a 10min auto-kick if idle.

The Vote kick system isn't perfect, but how can the Dev Team fix your issue with so little details.

- If your friend is being kicked due to watching cutscenes. State it and report it.

- If she AFKs unannounced for several mins, the party has every reason to kick her IMO. As something more important requires her attention than a video game.

- If she announces it and is kicked immediately. State it and report it.

- If she is constantly afking during the instance. Again, seems only fair for the PT to remove her. She is making the instance inconvenient for 3 or 7 other ppl. Possibly 23 others in CT.

If she has real life matters. Single mom, etc etc that require her attention. There are FCs and LS that exist for those with similar cases that do content together and help each other.

[Iymala]

According to the OP, the hypersensitive girl was not insulted, but merely removed from the party. I am of the opinion, that if a vote kick goes through, it should be legit regardless of the reason. If the majority does not want to play with an individual they should not be forced to because SE wants to hold everyone's hands and hope no one gets their feelings hurt. I think that is asinine. To avoid issues with FC's kicking someone for loot... lock the kick feature once a boss is engaged until the loot is distributed. I absolutely hate the heavy handed approach SE takes to trying to monitor their community, yet turns a blind eye to bots and expects the community to do their job by submitting ridiculously long reports about RMTs.

Your friend did SOMETHING to make those 3 other people kick her out of the group. If she was afk, if she was watching cut-scenes, if she was just plain bad at her job... there was something. She can either fix it if it was her lack of skill or lack of communication about needing to be afk..... or accept that she was either AFK or watching cut-scenes in a group that did not want to do that as well and find a group of friends to run with. While, it is a shame that new players are less tolerated in their cut-scene watching now..... over 6months after the game was released.... than a month or two on release.... it is reality. Many players have ran these dungeons over and over and over again, and if they are randomly queuing through the DR are likely just trying to get their weekly grind done with. Having to do the same dungeons over and over for tomes.. is a bad design by SE... and just because people do not want to play with you friend at her slow pace does not make them jerks or abusive.

[illuminapanic]

I am of the opinion, that if a vote kick goes through, it should be legit regardless of the reason.

Are you saying here that if a vote kick goes through, whoever voted yes to it had every right to do so?

Let me tell you a story and asked if my vote kick was legit. I was in a CT one day on my newly 50 dragoon, on an alt if you will. I'm not new to dragoon so I know how to play the class. I was somewheres I58 but my gears was all over the place. We make it to atomos and my group is the last one to kill it by a stretch but regardless, we do kill it. We start heading to the next area and all I see in my party chat is "our dps are very weak" and the next thing I know, I'm kicked from the group. Parse shows that I'm #1 dps in our group being at the lowest ilvl out of all of them.

So is that legit? I wasn't butthurt in the slightest though. Sent a report in and proceeded to just que into another CT. Life goes on.

[mylam]

I was patting her on the back while she was in the bathroom dry vomiting and in tears after a party kick. I told her this mmo was safe and she wouldn't get bullied here. I thought there was nice people in Final Fantasy.

Lol damn not trying to be harsh, but if your friend is that sensitive over an mmo she got problems.

And you're not very smart either haha if you're just as sensitive over party kicks from anonymous people over the interwebs. Why come on the forums to try and validate your feelings? Some people could agree, but then there will always be those that disagree with you, what are you going to do about them? Make another thread to cry about how people on the forums are mean? I think you need to stop playing online games and maybe go do something else with less interaction with other people. Just my opinion lol

[NintenPyjak64]

One sentence in the OP is bothering me. The line where he talks about people being too paranoid to say they need to AFK for a bit. Could this mean his friend didn't announce they had to AFK? If so then the party was right here. If she did announce then she is in the right and THEN it's reportable as harassment.
I've never been kicked once for AFKing. If I knew I'd only be a little bit I'd say "brb rq". If I knew I'd be longer then 10 minutes I'd say something then leave accepting the 30 minute cooldown

[Araeya]

People do not kick a person from party for the right reasons. They never do. [/B]

Actually, many do. Your experiences do not quantify the entirety of votekicking in this game or any other one. In my own experiences, and the ones of most of the people with whom I've played, if you carry yourself in a fashion that tells your DF teammates that you are worth waiting 3 minutes on, your group will happily wait 3 minutes for you to change a diaper 99% of the time. I rarely kick people for AFK'ing unless it's consistent or they are gone for longer than the auto-kick feature allows. If they have time to come back to their game and move so they avoid the auto-kick, they have time to let their party know why they're taking so long. The players who find themselves vote-kicked are more frequently those who hold up the run due to not taking advice if they are doing poorly, or the ones who are just out and out assholes to their fellow party members.

Do you know how yucky that makes you feel to know everyone anonymously agreed they didn't want you around??? I was patting her on the back while she was in the bathroom dry vomiting and in tears after a party kick. I told her this mmo was safe and she wouldn't get bullied here. I thought there was nice people in Final Fantasy.

Not to sound insensitive here, but, if your friend has that kind of reaction to a simple vote-kick (which could have even been the auto-kick that is now built into the game), she does not need changes to the game. She needs a therapist. Soon. For that matter, the MMO environment could be pretty detrimental to someone who is in such an unhealthy state of mind.

What is it with all this sudden sensitivity to 'bullying'? "He said I'm ugly." "She said she doesn't like my shirt." "He called me _______!" Hell, when I was young, being bullied meant having the crap kicked out of you on a regular basis, which I can agree is something that shouldn't be happening. It wasn't removal from a party of strangers on a video game because you went AFK. /blinkblink

[Nymri]

Never had problems with DF and being kicked from the party. People are generally pretty cool so long as they know what's going on. Going afk without telling anyone, as you're post suggests your friend did, is a perfectly valid reason to kick someone, and is one of the reasons that I would kick someone from the party. The others are if people are being aggressive or generally abusive, not even attempting to play their party role, which is a form of harassment, and if they d/c and don't come back, which the game automatically handles nowadays. Let people know what's happening, if you know you will have to leave at little or no notice, let the party know in advance and ask them if it's ok, and if it's not, to do a vote kick at the start of the party while everyone know's what's happening, are prepared and aren't gonna get upset. Finally, if just one instance of being kicked is enough to provoke that reaction, I suggest your friend gets some professional help, as they obviously have some underlying problems. The internet is generally a safe place, but the lack of retaliation will mean you WILL encounter trolls, if you're that emotionally unstable, stay off the net till you've gotten the help you need!