Optional Monthly Service Fee for no Content Lockouts. ^^

[Arkista]

Its not really Pay to Win. Isn't P2W like buy items to boost your character? I didn't say an Optional Fee to buy items. I would still have to put in the time to obtain the items like normal, I could just play at my own pace. Like if i wanted to do Coils or w/e 2 or 3 times a week I could.

you missed what i meant you pay 15$ for that month then for the lock out to be taken out you pay 90$ (15x6) for the lock out to be removed. also the lock is only removed for that tier you much repurchase it ever 6 months when new ilvl cap is released.

also you still have to pay the monthly 15$ sub every month no reason lock out should be combined with it.

If thats what it would cost then I would be down to pay it.

[ulti_19]

I'm against this. It would turn the game into a horrible direction in my opinion. Why would someone who pays a little bit more get to experience content as much as they want while others who pay a normal rate be locked out after one pass on it and have to wait a week before playing again. 4.99 isn't the issue, it is a small sum, but as the game would progress, you'd see more pay to play options basically just making a subscription more expensive for a service that should be for everyone in the first place.

[Skyhound]

Its not really Pay to Win. Isn't P2W like buy items to boost your character?

Pay to Win is paying an extra fee for an advantage in a game. Paying to remove loot lock out would definitely be P2W.

[Musashidon]

Pay to Win is paying an extra fee for an advantage in a game. Paying to remove loot lock out would definitely be P2W.

actually no p2w is paying to be better then everyone else. meaning unless you paid for that same thing you could never be as good.

[Skyhound]

actually no p2w is paying to be better then everyone else. meaning unless you paid for that same thing you could never be as good.

I think your strawman needs a little bit more straw.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

actually no p2w is paying to be better then everyone else. meaning unless you paid for that same thing you could never be as good.

Don't try to twist words here. You are "better then everyone else" because you are paying to replay content with lockouts to get gear much faster than everyone else. You got an advantage over other players because you chose to pay your way to it and that puts you above them. It is P2W and that should not be in a P2P game. You want p2w? go play an f2p mmo.

[Musashidon]

Don't try to twist words here. You are "better then everyone else" because you are paying to replay content with lockouts to get gear much faster than everyone else. You got an advantage over other players because you chose to pay your way to it and that puts you above them. It is P2W and that should not be in a P2P game. You want p2w? go play an f2p mmo.

there is no twisting of words, being able to get it faster doesn't make it p2w because you will be the same in the end. p2w is always being better for paying.

[Wolf_Heartnet]

there is no twisting of words, being able to get it faster doesn't make it p2w because you will be the same in the end. p2w is always being better for paying.

Yes, it does make it p2w. What you're saying is, if they made a gill boost that gave you 1million gill per monster you kill, it isn't p2w because people will eventually get more gill. It doesn't work like that. Since you can get the gear much faster than anyone else by paying to avoid lockouts, its almost the same as using money to buy the best gear and other games have real money auction houses that does just that and it is considered p2w. You are paying to obtain an advantage over other players.

[illuminapanic]

there is no twisting of words, being able to get it faster doesn't make it p2w because you will be the same in the end. p2w is always being better for paying.

You are paying to be ahead of everybody else. What isn't there to understand? For example, if this idea was implemented when 2.2 is released, the people paying for it would be using it to get i110 at release while everyone with the cap has to wait.

[Musashidon]

You are paying to be ahead of everybody else. What isn't there to understand? For example, if this idea was implemented when 2.2 is released, the people paying for it would be using it to get i110 at release while everyone with the cap has to wait.

mhmm, soooo where does it come in that i have to pay that to get what you have? that's the whole point.

Yes, it does make it p2w. What you're saying is, if they made a gill boost that gave you 1million gill per monster you kill, it isn't p2w because people will eventually get more gill. It doesn't work like that. Since you can get the gear much faster than anyone else by paying to avoid lockouts, its almost the same as using money to buy the best gear and other games have real money auction houses that does just that and it is considered p2w. You are paying to obtain an advantage over other players.

much faster, is not unable to get without paying which is what p2w is. how hard is it to understand.

this is the best example i bought a 50$ gear set that gives me 2x the stats of any other gear set in game and the only way to get this is to pay for it. = p2w