Monk should be more rewarding

[Kirinichibon]

Another 2-3 seconds on GL would solve most Monk annoyances right now for me. Monk to me is more about accepting that things aren't going to be perfect and trying to make my non-optimal rotations the best that I can. Tanks are going to squirm causing me to miss positionals and run mobs out of range right as GL expires, etc etc.

I prefer to focus on the bonuses that the class does bring - aoe silence, dispel, backflips...

[NoctisUmbra]

L2P PLD. PLD isn't off-GCD and discurpt the combo.

Oh, the irony of this post. Seriously. Do some of you guys even consider that you're about to say something dumb and look foolish before posting? Maybe a quick fact check?

Lemon8or beat me to it, but it's just as he said. We're not talking about Shield Bash here. That's a stun. We're talking about Spirits Within, which is an off-GCD skill with a Silence bonus, just like BRD's Blunt Shot.

So Alcyon, I turn it right back to you. L2P PLD. PLD has an off-GCD Silence and it doesn't disrupt anything.

[Wrydas]

As the leader of a raiding FC I don't consider it detrimental to bring a monk over a dragoon. If you are min maxing then a dragoon in theory could be better than a monk because of the increase to bard damage and because they don't have as large of a drawback as MNKs when conflags, gourded, phase shift, etc. But monk still bring adequate damage and the massive healing increase from mantra. They fulfill the function of a melee dps just fine. I have 3 raid groups downing twintania atm and 2 of them have a monk in it, only the main raid group has a dragoon as the melee. I rather bring a skilled monk than an unskilled dragoon simply because the class is slightly ahead.

[Kuroyasha]

Monk is fine. I like helping my whole party take less dmg to tumults in Titan Ex. Like helping my tanks take less dmg in Ifrit and Garuda Ex. Like boosting the healing b4 a room wide AoE from the boss or another mechanic like the big nail in Ifrit Ex. So what if GL drops. I get it back up and do my dmg. Still have DoTs hitting things like Titan when gaoled. Still do big dmg, still at top of list outside of a great smn.

[Soulburn32]

anybody that actually cares if someone is a mnk or drg based on equal skill between the 2 just has 2 much to worry about.

they are both balanced, isn't that the most important thing? the balance between the jobs they have right now is probably the best I have seen in an MMO recently. The margin of difference between the classes is almost a non factor with player skill being the highest factor.

[Atreides]

anybody that actually cares if someone is a mnk or drg based on equal skill between the 2 just has 2 much to worry about.

they are both balanced, isn't that the most important thing? the balance between the jobs they have right now is probably the best I have seen in an MMO recently. The margin of difference between the classes is almost a non factor with player skill being the highest factor.

But thats exactly the problem people are seeing with them.
They are balanced too well, yet dragoon pushes the damage of another class which pulls him ahead.
It wouldn't be a problem if said class isn't in pretty much every group, if your group has 2 bards then why take a monk? (-10% Piercing resist is no joke)
If we're talking only about efficiency here progress groups would pick a dragoon over a monk.

Sure some monks like myself don't have to worry about their raid spots but there are some groups that have no problem to abandon a job to get the most efficienct group going to get first kills.
The thing is all it takes is one good bard to for the dragoon to get ahead of the monk, bring two and it's not a even question anymore to pick a monk or dragoon.

[Soulburn32]

I'd still rather have balance and let all you min max players worry about pushing another 5 DPS on a fight like it matters.

You know who gets first kills? Its has almost nothing to do with group makeup. It comes down to player skill and finding a team of people willing to sacrifice almost everything else in order to get their 5 seconds of internet fame of "Server First"

Give me a group of 8 unemployed skillful players willing to do nothing but work on a fight all day and I bet you could get "First Kill" with a group 90% of the forums would say is a bad party makeup.

[NoctisUmbra]

I'd still rather have balance and let all you min max players worry about pushing another 5 DPS on a fight like it matters.

You know who gets first kills? Its has almost nothing to do with group makeup. It comes down to player skill and finding a team of people willing to sacrifice almost everything else in order to get their 5 seconds of internet fame of "Server First"

Give me a group of 8 unemployed skillful players willing to do nothing but work on a fight all day and I bet you could get "First Kill" with a group 90% of the forums would say is a bad party makeup.

I play with people who were in the world first clearing team of BCoB. Player skill is a given. After that comes player flexibility in jobs and forming the most effective team composition. The way the jobs are balanced now, MNK is a very low priority for most cases for reasons previously explained.

[Viridiana]

I'd still rather have balance and let all you min max players worry about pushing another 5 DPS on a fight like it matters.

Except we're not talking "another 5 dps." If the 10% resistance translates into 10% more damage, it's more like 20+ more DPS per BRD. If it's like Foe Requiem, where the 10% by many accounts functions as a 15% increase in damage, then it's 30+ DPS per BRD.

[Umero]

Still think the only problem for now is that greased lighting lasts to short. Dragoons can go on the get go. Monks need to build it up, then lose it due to the boss jumping away (all primals) or doing an ultimate attack you need to hide from. Furthermore im loving monk and although I get your point its still flavour.

they can easily change it to increase GL duration but the effect won't kick in unless you have to be in the right position similar to what drg has.
I personally think it's just style of play - If you like the class/job you play, you would find the beauty of its imperfection.