Monk should be more rewarding

[Bloopan]

MNK is the single target kings of DPS. They can solo silence T1 and T2. MNK and DRG have to worry about the same things as melee classes.

Please explain what the actual problem is to you.

Get a Monk

Your arguement is invalid.

[T1M0N]

I've got both class lvl 90(well..almost for the monk just miss the helmet) and i can tell it doesn't matter which one is the best beetween MNK and DRG.They're both pretty similar in term of damage,MNK having a strong sustained damage output while the DRG can put out a much stronger burst (the best in the game i think execpt for the BLM getting Fire III proc everytime).
They're both good for a party any high lvl content can use both of them.
Ofc,DRG can use his Disenbowel for the BRD and himself but seriously it's not like it will make a difference beetween the wipe and the victory.
I'm more of a DRG player but just in case i lvled both class and anyone who did the same will agree that both are REALLY ok for any kind of content.They do'nt need a adjustement or something.Just good players and good team comp.

[Thorauku]

I can't believe that after all the buff they had, they're still asking for more. God, people will never be satisfied.

[NoctisUmbra]

I can't believe that after all the buff they had, they're still asking for more. God, people will never be satisfied.

It's not about being unsatisfied. It's about balance. Before the melee buff, MNK was ahead of all the other jobs in DPS - which made sense as it was melee. However, DRG was far behind. After they adjustments in 2.1, DRG is now in just the right spot in terms of how much DPS it can put out, and how it has synergy with any BRDs in the party.

MNK, while also buffed, wasn't buffed enough to maintain a sufficient lead on DRG. Currently, any balanced team structure will carry at least 1 BRD due to it's resourcefulness. That makes it so the typical token melee slot is entirely better taken by a DRG due to the DPS it puts out + the DPS increase it gives the BRD(s) adding up to more than what a MNK can put out. In a lot of content, the buff to BRD damage doesn't even need to be considered since the dropping of GL3 will lead to MNKs and DRGs doing nearly identical DPS anyway.

As someone who plays both MNK and DRG heavily in endgame, and plays them well, I can attest to it firsthand: DRG has a clear advantage now. The only time you can justify bringing a MNK when you also have the choice of a DRG is when:

• There is no BRD in the party.
• There is already a DRG in the party, and it is prudent to bring another melee.

Typically, at least so far, the above conditions aren't met nearly enough.

Now, they may very well have plans of adding another job that does blunt damage soon, which would go a long way in balancing things out. Otherwise, this is something worth addressing with a tweak in the risk/reward balance of MNK.

[Vactus]

Get a Monk

Your arguement is invalid.

Cause that's a good counter argument.

[Cabalabob]

They're both pretty similar in term of damage,MNK having a strong sustained damage output while the DRG can put out a much stronger burst (the best in the game i think

They do'nt need a adjustement or something.Just good players and good team comp.

I think that's the main problem the OP has, it's not the fact that monk is bad, it's the fact that it requires so much more work than a dragoon for "similar damage". A dragoon has to use heavy thrust every 30 seconds then it just sits at the mobs back and spams it's combos til it needs another heavy thrust. Monk has to move from flank to back to flank to back over and over again and it gets the same damage for it. Considering it requires more work out of the user it should get more benefit for it not just similar. At least that's how I think OP is looking at it.

[Rein-Yagami]

So what you're asking for is a buff to offset the fact that DRGs were given a buff?

The amount of times I was kicked from a PF group because "they wanted a MNK" numbers in atleast the 50s~

Also, your "even DRGs are overshadowing MNKs" clearly shows the backwards mentality of "DRGs are so easy"
If Drgs miss their positionals, they need to sacrifice additional dps to re-attempt the application~ which can be made very difficult by dancing tanks.
Mnks on the other hand just ride it through, they gain their stack of GL at the end and keep going.

I propose that if Mnks get a buff to again massively outstrip DRGs, then GL stacks should only be applied when EVERY attack in the combo initiated its positional component. To offset this, increase the duration of GL to 20 seconds. That'll shut you up won't it~ You want to outperform Drgs, Work for it.

Mnks don't need to be automatically better than Drgs because lets face it, most Mnks AREN'T better than Drgs. They play the "harder class" without understanding any of the intricacies which just wastes the potential.

[NoctisUmbra]

Hey Rein Yagami. Don't lose your head.

I play both MNK and DRG at endgame. Both highly geared. I know my way around them both quite well and fully understand the associated risks and various pros cons - more so than you I would presume based on your post there as it suggests you're not very experienced with MNK.

First off, don't regress to the positional argument. I don't need to hear people whining about how they need to repeat Heavy Thrust or Impulse Drive if it doesn't connect in the right position. It sucks, yes. It lowers your DPS, yes. Both of those can be said for MNK as well, as even though it is allowed to continue through its forms, it ends up hitting for considerably less when out of position. MNK has to be precise and dance flank to rear constantly, however, whereas once DRG handles those 2 infrequent positionals it can run circles around its target for all the difference it makes.

I'm not asking for an explicit increase to MNK DPS. That wouldn't be much of a solution. If they make it so GL stacks drop off one at a time, or last longer that would probably be sufficient for MNK to keep the single target edge - which, again, it deserves as that's really the only thing MNK has going for it. It doesn't have much in terms of spike or aoe, and furthermore doesn't really help any job but itself in a party.

[Eclips]

Monk:

Higher sustained DPS
Mantra
Int debuff

Dragoon:

Higher burst dps
10% piercing reduction

So basically you have a mdps with a tank/party healing cooldown and a boss damage reduction skill vs a dps that increases your support class dps by 10%.

I guess we all know which one we'll be taking for progression groups.

[Zeronic]

Still think the only problem for now is that greased lighting lasts to short. Dragoons can go on the get go. Monks need to build it up, then lose it due to the boss jumping away (all primals) or doing an ultimate attack you need to hide from. Furthermore im loving monk and although I get your point its still flavour.