Monk should be more rewarding

[NoctisUmbra]

Im but a low level monk, but in making the comparison between monk and dragoon I havent seen a few things mentioned. This is all theorycrafting, let me know if Im missing something.
1. Mnk has better party support through enhanced mantra and the INT reduction on dragon kick. Enhanced healing and reduced boss damage vs buffing one of the weakest dps? Mnk seems to play better with others.
2. Mnk has more damage multipliers over dragoon, leading to increased limit break damage. Most parties want to bring one melee dps for lb, so why not the one that can push more damage?

Limit Break damage is purely based on the weapon damage values of every party member. It is entirely independent of the player that uses it, except for determining what type of limit break to use based on said player's job.

That is why in a party with a well geared MNK/DRG and a relatively poorly geared MNK/DRG, it is customary to have the lesser-geared one do the LB. If deciding between a MNK and a DRG, it is customary to let the DRG do it, so the MNK can maintain GL3.

[Grimm08]

That is why in a party with a well geared MNK/DRG and a relatively poorly geared MNK/DRG, it is customary to have the lesser-geared one do the LB. If deciding between a MNK and a DRG, it is customary to let the DRG do it, so the MNK can maintain GL3.

While I am in total agreeance of this, it is still possible, but semi difficult to maintain GL3 while using a LB, especially Level 3, you have to have a higher skill speed and get on your moves the absolute moment you can.

[Lemon8or]

While I am in total agreeance of this, it is still possible, but semi difficult to maintain GL3 while using a LB, especially Level 3, you have to have a higher skill speed and get on your moves the absolute moment you can.

My skillspeed is in the 370+ and I can still use LB without losing GL3. :/ You just have to hit it during the animation since it's off GCD.

[Grimm08]

My skillspeed is in the 370+ and I can still use LB without losing GL3. :/ You just have to hit it during the animation since it's off GCD.

I've found it to be difficult with LB3, since it has a couple seconds longer cast time, but yeah, if you hit it immediately, and do your rotation immediately after, it's entirely feasible.

[subteraneanbird]

Im but a low level monk, but in making the comparison between monk and dragoon I havent seen a few things mentioned. This is all theorycrafting, let me know if Im missing something.
1. Mnk has better party support through enhanced mantra and the INT reduction on dragon kick. Enhanced healing and reduced boss damage vs buffing one of the weakest dps? Mnk seems to play better with others.
2. Mnk has more damage multipliers over dragoon, leading to increased limit break damage. Most parties want to bring one melee dps for lb, so why not the one that can push more damage?

Bard is actually one of the most consistent DPS in the game. It doesn't need to be game shatteringly high when it almost never misses, doesn't have to worry about positioning, and can move without losing uptime. So devaluing Dragoon for upping Bard while overvaluing INT bombing (when both SMN and SCH have access to in a highly potent form) seems highly misleading.

[nocturnal84]

The job needs some very needed tweaks and one thing I would like to see is greased lightning moved as a passive effect instead of something activated and then afterwards looking over the positional requirements of the job because it needs some serious tweaking. Its the only class that I've seen that has the biggest issues dpsing in the game.

GL3 needs to be passive? Lmao no it doesn't.
Monk is purposely built around GL3 falling off and finding ways to try to keep maximum uptime.
And positional requirements need to be looked at... Lol why? Because you're to lazy or terrible at the game to deal with them ?

Most of us here like the way mnk plays

[NoctisUmbra]

Didn't say it was impossible. Simply put, it's risky. DRG can just yolo it though.

[Grimm08]

Didn't say it was impossible. Simply put, it's risky. DRG can just yolo it though.

Lol yeah, they don't have forms and GL to keep up like we do.

[Grimm08]

Nah homie, I never said that it was advertised in the game, but before I started I did a lot of research on all of the DPS classes, and everyone was talking about how far ahead of the others Monk is, stating that it is the only class (at the time) that can sustain a DPS of 300+. With the newest gear, that's definitely not the case, but, all things considered, It's still very consistent and some of the highest burst if you pop all your cooldowns at once (outside of Flare spamming).

[subteraneanbird]

I think it's much less useful to talk about how about how high a DPS can get (a good player will always out damage a bad player regardless of class) and more useful to talk about consistency. Monk is more consistent than some, but can lose uptime due to dropping GL or losing positionals.