Time wasters

[mouseno4]

Actually considering how tense* you sound I'd say you ought to give it a go. We had one member that would stall coil out all the time. (He moved and no longer plays) but it certainly helped when half of the raid was on edge or annoyed. It can be a breath of fresh air. However you sound so serious - you have trouble downing coil or something? Were able to joke around and still get kills. Maybe you just need to relax - it's just a game after all. People have different ways of coping.

I can fully understand if you have somewhat close to a full LB3 or the boss is in its last few percent. But when there is 1, 2 or 3 left out of 8, 25-50%+ on the boss and there isnt even a LB1 available... just give it up and stop wasting everyone's time. You can do whatever the hell you want in your own FC run - but in a DF group, just wipe it so we can move on and progress through the dungeon.

[MurakumoMillennium]

Can still practice most fight mechanics even when half of party are dead.

[Mirakumi]

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Sometimes I tend to keep going even though its a wipe depends on the situation. Per say if it was titan and everyone died but me I would show them that the rotation isn't that hard. Plus when people give up right away - some people don't even get to see the rotation. I like to push so they get to see. Hey this landslide is coming up. If people learn from watching it's helpful.

People don't always do it out of animosity too - You have to take in account that people learn by seeing the fight. Not by - "ok guys lets wipe and pray we can understand the fight even tho we only made it X far"

[Xenor]

I rarely see a recovery work even if healer LB3 is popped. Half the group dies in seconds afterwards because they've given up and weren't ready for the AoE that's about to smack them.

[Odd]

Because it's fun to see how long you can survive despite the terrible situation. Honestly, in this whole game, when else will you have that feeling?

This may have been said in jest, it's hard to know for sure. But personally, my most epic gaming moments have been when we pulled out a win when the party was calling for a wipe. I don't care if you think I'm wasting your time, if I think we can win it, damn right I'm gonna keep trying. Feel free to leave, since you're dead you're not helping anyways. Or stay, cheer us on, or maybe watch and learn. The watch and learn comment isn't me being an elitist snob. It's exactly how I learned how to dodge the circle bombs in Titan HM for example. Most of what I learned in harder content, I learned while KO'd and watching someone who is still alive.

[Purrfectstorm]

Sometimes it's hard to know the exact point that all hope is lost. I was in a group where several dead players suggested we just wipe it. The few players remaining survived until healer LB3, the whole team was back in action, and we ended up winning the fight. Long shot wins like this are exciting.

Other reasons include:

- Wanting to fight till your dying breath. We're playing heroic characters and that's typically what heroes do, after all.
- Having tunnel vision. Sometimes people don't realize how bad things really are. The tank is like "Why am I not getting healed?!" then realizes all the healers are dead and maybe have been for several minutes...
- Wanting your teammates to know you're not a quitter.
- To get more practice on a particular phase.

Etc. It's highly doubtful that anybody is just trying to waste someone else's time. At any rate, wipes typically happen about 10 seconds after it becomes hopeless anyway, so not a lot of time is being wasted. Furthermore, most groups leave instance now after 2 tries so it's not like wiping any faster will give you more tries with the same group.

As a side tangent, that makes "X-strikes" parties kind of pointless as this mentality is already the norm. Can't count the number of times I've PUG'ed Titan and had people quit after 2 tries. The funny thing is that the same people who do this complain about others wanting things "handed to them."

Moral: Enjoy the game, let others play how they want (within reason), and don't have such high expectations. If you gripe about people not being able to avoid landslide, don't expect them to jump off a cliff cause you done gone and got yourself blown up

[Mirakumi]

This may have been said in jest, it's hard to know for sure. But personally, my most epic gaming moments have been when we pulled out a win when the party was calling for a wipe. I don't care if you think I'm wasting your time, if I think we can win it, damn right I'm gonna keep trying. Feel free to leave, since you're dead you're not helping anyways. Or stay, cheer us on, or maybe watch and learn. The watch and learn comment isn't me being an elitist snob. It's exactly how I learned how to dodge the circle bombs in Titan HM for example. Most of what I learned in harder content, I learned while KO'd and watching someone who is still alive.

Agreed during Ifrit once PT was calling for wipe, even tank sat in bad stuff and died - everyone was about to give up but I managed to kite it like a boss, and pick people up. If OP is going to call it a waste of time - then OP better have a better reason. Then just "pissing OP off"

[PArcher]

I've been in a few fights where those last few alive have pulled off wins against all odds.

As long as a Heal, Tank and DPS are alive, the fight can go on. Now, in the EX fights...maybe not (yay DPS checks!). But most others you can keep trying, and possibly win.

EDIT: Recently I was helping a friend get Ifrit HM down (he tanked, I healed). Randoms were very new to lv50. Somehow we had the DPS for Nails, and continued on...until suddenly, there was me, MT (my friend) and a DPS or two still standing. I just went and rezed who I could, DPSed when I had a second and kept those up as best I could (yeah, the guys who kept eating charges and eruptions got to stay down after the second rez). Took a long time to win, but we won. Wasn't going to give up there.

[mouseno4]

I rarely see a recovery work even if healer LB3 is popped. Half the group dies in seconds afterwards because they've given up and weren't ready for the AoE that's about to smack them.

I have actually. I have actually see a tank somehow take down HM Ifrit. All on his own. For the last 5%. That has only ever happened once and he only had to last 10-20 seconds. LB3 quite often saves the group. If i had to guess the times it has actually worked - i would say maybe 75%. Those few times it didnt, was when the timing was off (and the post-Raise immunity was not yet implemented) and everyone got Raised right at the beginning of a massive aoe mechanic and promptly wiped a second time.

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

Perpetuating a wipe only serves to piss people off.

Good. Maybe they can use that anger to stop dieing.