Tips for grabbing BIG HATE fast.

[Maelwys]

Can you link to any testing concerning SC's enmity modifier (I couldn't find any 2.1 stuff with my google-fu)?

A quick search throws up this for testing and this and this for statements? Though in each case the "the Enmity Widget on FFXIV-APP" is quoted.

Overpower is generally taken to be 120 Potency at a 5x multiplier for 600 Potency total.
SC is 200 Potency, if it's a 3x multipler then with Unchained up to cancel out Defiance; it should effectively equal Overpower at 600 potency... but if it's a 5x multiplier then doing that should hit 1000 potency.

A quick way to check would be to have two equally geared WARs: War #1 uses Steel Cyclone, War #2 uses Unchained + Overpower + Heavy Swing. Assuming no crits, that's a little over 700 raw potency total from War #2 (there'll be an extra bit of enmity generated from the extra two ability activations) versus either 600 or 1000 from War #1... so depending on who has hate at the end, there's your answer.

I can probably badger my brother into testing this with me on Monday night after Coil if nobody's bothered to do it before then.

[Kitru]

Though in each case the "the Enmity Widget on FFXIV-APP" is quoted.

FFXIV-APP is a combat log parser. Since enmity isn't reported in the combat log, unless it's reported in some super secret channel that isn't normally accessible, means that the app reads the damage and applies modifiers not taken directly from the game. As such, it's not explicit testing, which is what I want to see, especially since I've seen 5x more often than 3x in the circles I run in (doesn't mean that it's more likely; just means that there's a difference in consensus between different communities).

[Maelwys]

FFXIV-APP is a combat log parser. Since enmity isn't reported in the combat log, unless it's reported in some super secret channel that isn't normally accessible

FFXIV-APP hooks into memory, it doesn't just read from the combat log.
This is why the "radar" tool works, and is also why there's a certain level of "Fight club" about using it.

The numeric enmity value IS held in memory, it's just rendered in the normal game client in the form of a bar.

[Shayuki]

Infuriate > Facepull with Inner Beast > Brutal Swing as I run through the boss > Tomahawk and Berserk as I pull him into position > Uncomboed Butcher's Block > Normal BB Enmity Rotation x2

That's a rather weak pull. Mine is:

Infuriate -> Tomahawk -> Unchained -> Heavy Swing -> Vengeance -> Maim -> Berserk -> Storm's Eye -> Brutal Swing -> Fracture -> Heavy Swing -> BBB and then your rotation of choice. They're not going to take aggro off you unless you have no gear at all. Even Dragoon would have issues.



With larger mob packs it's something like Infuriate -> Flash -> Steel Cyclone -> Heavy Swing -> Vengeance -> Maim -> Berserk -> Storm's Path or Eye -> Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Steel Cyclone -> Storm's Path or Eye etc.

[Warrlordd]

it's not the dragoons you gotta worry about, it's the bards. they do significant more burst damage.
of course as i say that, i remember both have an enmity drop, although more inconvenient for a dragoon to use.