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    Suggestion for new Lancer move

    So me and my friend were talking about how lancer/dragoon get no proc or circumstantial moves, e.g shield swipe, haymaker, mercy stroke, misery's end.

    So I thought a good move for lancer would be sudden lunge. After a successful parry you can deliver an attack with ??(whatever's balanced) potency. Additional effect terror. Duration 3 seconds.

    Basically the idea was this could be used to make keen flurry more useful to lancer and the terror would give the lancer a chance when solo to move to the mobs flank for a heavy thrust or behind for an impulse drive. I opted not to use stun as the add effect cause lancer already had leg sweep and this way it wouldn't build the enemies stun resistance. 3 second duration would mean it would last long enough for your GCD to reset after using it and just enough time to use a heavy thrust or impulse drive before it wears off.
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    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Oh boy...another useless skill.

    LNC/DRG aren't tanks, they're DPS. You're not supposed to be getting hit.

    And you have Leg Sweep AND Spineshatter Dive for stuns...a third move like that for soloing isn't going to matter one bit
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    isn't haymaker crossclassable?

    ...not that you'd be getting any use out of it anyway
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    Baal Mirtaq
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    DRG does have mercy stroke available. You can cross class it.
    As has been said, as dps class you are not supposed to get hit so that skills would be pretty bad.

    Its a nice idea in case they add a lancer tank job though.
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    Yes it gets access to cross classes that do it, but we were talking natively, lancer is kind of straight forward in that respect. As for lancer not supposed to be getting hit, this move isn't meant to make you want to get hit, it's for situations where you are getting hit, e.g when solo. So that you have a chance to use your positional moves. In situations where you aren't getting hit you'll be able to get to the mobs flank and back by yourself. As for spine shatter dive and leg sweep, I said that it is designed as a move to get to the flank and rear without building stun resistance by using those moves, so you can save them for when you actually have to stun something.
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    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

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    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

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    Player PArcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    As for lancer not supposed to be getting hit, this move isn't meant to make you want to get hit, it's for situations where you are getting hit, e.g when solo. So that you have a chance to use your positional moves. As for spine shatter dive and leg sweep, I said that it is designed as a move to get to the flank and rear without building stun resistance by using those moves, so you can save them for when you actually have to stun something.
    So...useless skill is useless. Soloing, you have LS and SSD to stun. Mobs aren't going to live long enough to build resistance soloing anyway.

    And in groups, where stun interrupts are possible...you're not going going to get hit anyway

    Usless skill is useless
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    So...useless skill is useless. Soloing, you have LS and SSD to stun. Mobs aren't going to live long enough to build resistance soloing anyway.

    And in groups, where stun interrupts are possible...you're not going going to get hit anyway

    Usless skill is useless
    It's not meant to be the end all be all skill for lancers, it's simply a move that would correspond with pug getting featherfoot + haymaker and gla getting bulwark + shield swipe.

    And it's not useless as I've already described when it would be used, just cause a different move can fulfil a function doesn't mean having another move that can fulfil it in a different way isn't useful.

    Reason I suggested it in the first place was cause I soloed LNC from 1-34 in leves thinking "wouldn't it be nice to have a skill like that".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilthas View Post
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    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

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    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

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    A more viable option and one that could possibly work better would be a proccing ability based off Chaos Thrust DOT. Maybe a 5% chance each proc of damage to add an ability similar to bloodletter and river of blood combo. Just an off GCD ability with low potency. Lets just estimate a value that isn't crazy, so how about 100 potency hit?
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    YOU ONLY NEED PENTATHRUST
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    Kikyo Cledwin
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowybell View Post
    YOU ONLY NEED PENTATHRUST
    Ain't that the truth. But if they added Multi-Hit Attacks Like Penta-thrust to the Dragoon, then I guarantee you that every person who doesn't play DRG will be raging about the fact.
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