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  1. #181
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    wow you guys completely did not understand a thing i just said lol.

    Aint even talking about the games lore or anything, someone's saying Archers shouldnt have close range and long range attacks thats why they shouldnt have daggers. So why give them fists? Its same thing.
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  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukkirii View Post
    Hey guys! We asked Matsui about adding daggers for archers to use when fighting close range. He replied:



    You are just going to have to learn how to strike first, strike hard, and give no mercy.
    Now we talking! It was about time for SE to start saying what they want and what they don't want in this game! ^^ This is the correct reply style i wanted from start...he said no and that's it. ^^

    EDIT: Viion! Ask bow bonking then! ^^ Because it is correct in not having daggers IMO...bow is a 2-handed weapon AND a main weapon so it neither can be moved to ranged slot orhaving daggers equipped offhand.

    But ther is another option...crossbows are archer weapon too...the 1-handed ones. If/when they add crossbows ARCs will be able to equip stuff at off-hand, like possible "offhand daggers" or shields.
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    Last edited by Lienn; 07-02-2011 at 07:17 AM.

  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakhim View Post
    Woah guys.

    Thief + boomerang.

    Mind. Blowing.
    boomerangs are awesome by definition.
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  4. #184
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    also i think people have missed the most obvious solution, why dont they just melee with there bow, they're big enough. <bow bash>

    sorry lienn i just read your post and you mention bow bonking.
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  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    what I really don't get is.....

    Why are Archers complaining about close range auto attack, when they should not even be in melee range to begin with -.-

    If you play it right Archers are the top DD class, but are controlled by no AA and ammunition. I think what WoW did (taking away limited ammunition) was a very stupid idea.

    Like others have said, if there was ranged AA, there would be no control when it comes to damage output, or consumption, and that would ruin Archer.

    Because we all know how mobs love to stay just outside of melee reach so we can keep shooting them amirite?
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  6. #186
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    It will likely either
    A) use bow's stats anyways, with the punch just as a cosmetic gesture.
    B) be pretty weak/inconsequential, with the entire act of close range AA being inferior to arrows anyways.
    Either way, clamoring for a cosmetic alteration can come later. Not really much stopping it now.
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  7. #187
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    I'm starting to question if anyone in this thread has ever used a Bow and Arrow..

    1. You can't use a bow like a club, you wont be able to grip it right
    2. If you want to rapidly pull out a dagger you would have to throw your bow or arrow to the ground to use it
    3. If something ran at you while you were preparing to draw an arrow you would either shoot them or punch them, you would not look for a second weapon...

    I know its a Fantasy Game people, but it still has to ad hear to some laws of physics..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    Archers have several abilities that bind mobs. They have those abilities specifically so they can get distance between them and what they are trying to kill.
    Oh you mean the abilities that wear off when the monster is shot? And the ones that have a low rate of taking effect? Okay. Thanks for reminding me that out of 10 attacks, the monster will be bound twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatLeviathan
    Prolly live in their mommy's basement playing the game 23/7.

  9. #189
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    I'm starting to question if anyone in this thread has ever used a Bow and Arrow..

    1. You can't use a bow like a club, you wont be able to grip it right
    2. If you want to rapidly pull out a dagger you would have to throw your bow or arrow to the ground to use it
    3. If something ran at you while you were preparing to draw an arrow you would either shoot them or punch them, you would not look for a second weapon...

    I know its a Fantasy Game people, but it still has to ad hear to some laws of physics..
    1) certain types of bows can be swung like a club, not all of them are like D's
    2)no...no you dont, you can hold the bow in 1 hand (they arent super heavy on purpose btw, you need 1 hand to grab the arrow lol) and a dagger is meant to be used by 1 hand and quickly.
    3) its a video game and you DONT have to follow any laws....hence the fantasy and video game part

    If anything id use the arrow to jab the guy in the face...but they didnt do that so...
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    Last edited by Zanfire; 07-02-2011 at 08:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanfire View Post
    1) certain types of bows can be swung like a club, not all of them are like D's
    2)no...no you dont, you can hold the bow in 1 hand (they arent super heavy on purpose btw, you need 1 hand to grab the arrow lol) and a dagger is meant to be used by 1 hand and quickly.
    3) its a video game and you DONT have to follow any laws....hence the fantasy and video game part

    If anything id use the arrow to jab the guy in the face...but they didnt do that so...
    fighting with an arrow will in general be weaker than fighting h2h, it will basically ruin or break most arrows, and destroy thier fitness as a weapon, it would also take too long to get it into a decent fighting position. You get the same problem with a dagger, though it is designed better, and with the right type of sheathe you can probably get it out decent speed. but the fist will adapt the fastest between firing and fighting, requring no sheathing at all.

    But its still pretty weak, and most likely the damage will either be based on the bow only, or the arrow only, or neither.
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