Battle Reform: Auto-Attack (06/30/2011)

[Capita]

You should take your own advice and wait it out til 1.18. You're the one that's been arguing the most about this.

I thought that was the point of discussion forums? Not like I'm mindlessly QQing. Pretty sure I make some pretty valid points, regardless of whether the system is out or not. Plus it's a great way to pass the time at work.

[Evangela]

The abilities Light Shot (Archer), Spirit Dart (Thaumaturge), Phantom Dart (Conjurer), Throw, and Stone Throw will remain available, although their usage will be regulated by a recast timer.


cool story bro

no doubt why mages alway messed up, they don't even care about mages

try to reform battle but not going to change AMs which need fix too

[Nuru]

I thought that was the point of discussion forums? Not like I'm mindlessly QQing. Pretty sure I make some pretty valid points, regardless of whether the system is out or not. Plus it's a great way to pass the time at work.

If that's the case, then i'm having a hard time understanding why you are trying to give someone else that same advice. Yes, its what the forums are for, and I've noticed that even without dev responses, they seem to acknowledge almost all of our discussions.

I don't mean to come off as some kind of jerk or anything, but I really don't get along well with hypocrisy. We all have to wait for 1.18 no matter what, so its not really too big of deal to me.

The dev team have also stated that they'd make adjustments according to player feedback on AA after 1.18, so the fix to Archers (if it turns out to be a problem in 1.18) will most likely be addressed after the patch.

[Jennestia]

The abilities Light Shot (Archer), Spirit Dart (Thaumaturge), Phantom Dart (Conjurer), Throw, and Stone Throw will remain available, although their usage will be regulated by a recast timer.


cool story bro

no doubt why mages alway messed up, they don't even care about mages

try to reform battle but not going to change AMs which need fix too

AM's problem is in the formula and animation -- it isn't regulated by the actual battle system. Said changes will be when they change the stat calculations which comes later. At least understand what you're trying to accuse them of lol.

[Oibaf]

Ok. the archer that attacks with the bare fists is a really stupid idea. I mean, he's a long range fighter, what does he have to do? Slap enemies? Really, really stupid. Put light shot in auto attack.
That said, why they are so slow? Why every update have to be one or two week late every damn month?
2 months without updates and the algorithms still aren't fixed?
I'm really disappointed.

[Capita]

If that's the case, then i'm having a hard time understanding why you are trying to give someone else that same advice. Yes, its what the forums are for, and I've noticed that even without dev responses, they seem to acknowledge almost all of our discussions.

I don't mean to come off as some kind of jerk or anything, but I really don't get along well with hypocrisy. We all have to wait for 1.18 no matter what, so its not really too big of deal to me.

The dev team have also stated that they'd make adjustments according to player feedback on AA after 1.18, so the fix to Archers (if it turns out to be a problem in 1.18) will most likely be addressed after the patch.

The entire argument is based on assumptions from both sides as to what the new system will be like. That's the point of the debate. There are no actual cold, hard facts to go off so both sides of the argument can only assume. We're well aware of this (at least I hope the others are). No one's trying to write off their view as what exactly will happen, so we speculate. If we waited until the actual patch day to discuss the changes, there would hardly be any activity on the forums. We should ultimately wait until the patch is released before we draw any conclusions, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss the possibilities. I don't see how I'm being a hypocrite here.

[Dreadnought]

On a serious note though how do you think recast timers will be handled for the unlocked Basic Attacks. So like a PUG with Light Strike / Flurry / Pummel? Surely they will all be on the same timer like Raging Strike 1 and 2 otherwise if they had their own 5 second timer you could essentially just keep spamming attacks very quickly.

i remember not too long ago one of the developers noted that two certain tierd abilities share and will continue to share the same recast timer.....
sound familiar to anyone? i cant find it.
anyway, theres no way in hell SE would allow us spam any abilities, SE likes slower combat.

[NoctisUmbra]

lol...

The amount of silly people I see in these forums is just amazing.

When I see such fail logic as:
Archer gets close range AA in the form of fists > now we have to use our fists to fight instead of our arrows
... nothing describes my reaction better than a facepalm of epic proportions.

Then what really amuses me is that most of the people complaining about Archer not having a ranged AA seem to be players that do not have Archer to rank 50.

Archer in FFXIV is quite different than in other MMOs, and especially different from other classes. A ranged AA would hurt Archer more than help it. If you do not understand why this is the case, then please rank Archer to 50, go on some NM runs and see how you can truly maximize your DPS and usefulness as an Archer. When you realize it has nothing to do with how many times you can hit Light Shot in a minute, you will feel silly.

[Physic]

On a serious note though how do you think recast timers will be handled for the unlocked Basic Attacks. So like a PUG with Light Strike / Flurry / Pummel? Surely they will all be on the same timer like Raging Strike 1 and 2 otherwise if they had their own 5 second timer you could essentially just keep spamming attacks very quickly.

flurry wont need to be linked, since doing anything but flurry will make you incapable of doing flurry again till your AA hits light strike and pummel will probably have thier own timers.
They may also use mp to regulate pugilists, because in the video light and pummel had mp costs.

[elreed]

lol...

The amount of silly people I see in these forums is just amazing.

When I see such fail logic as:
Archer gets close range AA in the form of fists > now we have to use our fists to fight instead of our arrows
... nothing describes my reaction better than a facepalm of epic proportions.

Then what really amuses me is that most of the people complaining about Archer not having a ranged AA seem to be players that do not have Archer to rank 50.

Archer in FFXIV is quite different than in other MMOs, and especially different from other classes. A ranged AA would hurt Archer more than help it. If you do not understand why this is the case, then please rank Archer to 50, go on some NM runs and see how you can truly maximize your DPS and usefulness as an Archer. When you realize it has nothing to do with how many times you can hit Light Shot in a minute, you will feel silly.

i agree with you