Request to those who cannot complete current content:

[LimitlessAeon]

Please do not ask the devs to continuously hand out instantaneous access to newer content when you cannot clear current content.

It does not make sense to feel entitled to newer, *harder* fights when the current instances are incredibly difficult for you to complete. The progression in this game is vertical.

Ask for help from your community with the fights if you must, but the constant demand to "nerf" easily manageable content and the constant demand for access to all content regardless of your skill is going to ruin this game eventually.

Thank you for your time.

[TheCurls]

Ask for help from your community with the fights if you must...

I'm not someone who is asking for nerfs or instantaneous access (and I think nobody is asking for instantaneous access as it is), but I felt the need to remark upon this line in particular. Have you seen the party finder listings? Nobody wants to help other people. They all demand perfection (while often being less than perfect themselves) and "will kick if you die."

As for the point of your post, I have no problem with them making older content easier once new content is released. All that matters is that I clear what I can in the time frame I am able to. Those people who absolutely must clear all the content at the highest difficulty will still do so. I don't particularly care that other people have an easier time with it than I did. Let them experience the story.

[waca]

Please do not ask the devs to continuously hand out instantaneous access to newer content when you cannot clear current content.

LOL what?
/10 char

[LimitlessAeon]

Take the time to read some of the threads on these forums with people upset that they can't access new coil without clearing Turn 5, or even having access to Leviathan without the extreme modes completed.

[SeraviEdalborez]

I'm not someone who is asking for nerfs or instantaneous access (and I think nobody is asking for instantaneous access as it is), but I felt the need to remark upon this line in particular. Have you seen the party finder listings? Nobody wants to help other people. They all demand perfection (while often being less than perfect themselves) and "will kick if you die."

Make your own party. I see learning parties or "weekly clear, not all have beaten, have patience" parties every day. It's not hard to get "experience", and on Hyperion at least many of those "hardcore" PFs wipe continually then quit. It's really no different and most people are kidding themselves thinking everyone else is perfect for having been carried through the fight once or twice.

Once YOU are experienced enough, you can fake having the win. I've seen plenty of people who have never won but done the fight dozens of times who had me fooled, and plenty of the opposite (people with T5/EX weapons who die to the most basic stuff).

Which is another thing: you don't have to demand perfection to win. But if a person dies over and over to the same avoidable stuff, it's time to replace them. That's not learning.

Find good people, friend them or get them in a linkshell. Get networking.

[Orophin]

Take the time to read some of the threads on these forums with people upset that they can't access new coil without clearing Turn 5, or even having access to Leviathan without the extreme modes completed.

Why do you care? You're going to be off doing the latest greatest thing while other people will finally be able to clear the stuff you've already conquered due to the Echo buff. And so what if they make it to the next tier of content? Unless something changes these same people still won't be completing the cutting edge content before newer stuff comes out.

[Ryuko]

I knew the inevitable T5 nerf was coming the moment I realized Coil was part of the main storyline -- months and months before the echo buff was acknowledged/confirmed. Even IF the echo buff wasn't being added, the introduction of new gear (presumably through a new myth tomestone equivalent) will necessarily make the fights easier because you'll have higher damage/hp/healing even without the best rotations. It's not really about new players complaining... it's SE's response to the 'upward progression' model they have implemented. As far as the "NOT ENOUGH CONTENT" cries... that's the response of this being a new game. I believe/hope we will not have this sort of problem within a year, when the game is more established and people don't run out of things to do. It is true that, currently, a lot of players come online, do T1-5 within an hour, do their Primal Focus quest within 30 minutes, and then log off for the week.

[Odd]

I knew the inevitable T5 nerf was coming the moment I realized Coil was part of the main storyline -- months and months before the echo buff was acknowledged/confirmed.

I knew about it before the game was released. When Yoshi told the world it's exactly how they would be doing it.

Seriously, we've known they were doing this for a long time.

[Nabian]

I believe/hope we will not have this sort of problem within a year, when the game is more established and people don't run out of things to do.

I would say I will disagree with this statement... Before all the trolls and flamers attack me, I really enjoy this game and the current set-up that we have. However, I don't think the time frame of the game will matter because of how they've been implementing content. I feel that as new content is delivered old content will be nerfed and essentially rendered useless.

For example with the new patch being released, and the cap being removed from myth tombs. No player in their right mind fresh 50 or veteran is going to farm philosophy tombstones any more. It doesn't make logical sense to do so when you can easily just farm mythology tombstones and skip an entire progression of gear. That being said I imagine a lot of dungeons "rotting away" so to speak. As time goes on and more content is released older content will continue to be nerfed.

What I imagine is that immediately following the patch and possible for a month after patch release there will be plenty of stuff for players to do. The "hardcore" group (and I do use that term VERY LOOSELY) will work on the new content, while "casual" players will do the nerfed version of older content. After the first month the "hardcore" players will be done and revert to logging in once or twice a week, while the "semi-hardcore" and the "casuals" will continue to work on new content". After two months only the "casuals" will be left with trying to clear content while those who are burnt out on the same runs will patiently wait for the next patch.

After three months (give or take a few weeks) the hard content will be nerfed and more will be released. I see this pattern continuing for the life of the game. I consider myself "semi-hardcore" and will continue to play this game because it's fun for me. That's my point though...its a game and its fun for me.

Why do players care so much about what other people do? Do you need to prove your better than someone else? Is your life pathetic enough that beating someone in a video game is the only thing that gives your life purpose? If you enjoy the game that should be all that matters. If you don't enjoy the game then find a different one to play.

[LimitlessAeon]

Why do players care so much about what other people do?

Who are you referring to with this comment? I personally do *not* care about what other players do in game, but I *do* care when enough underperforming players complain to the devs about content that is perfectly fine, to the point of it being unnecessarily nerfed. IE) Titan HM, which at this point even if you get hit by a puddle or two, you have enough vitality/defense from lvl 90 gear where you can still survive hits from him or if your DPS ability is lacking somewhat you can get past the dps-check heart phase.

To use as another example, the same scenario happens in online FPSes where if some underperforming players make enough "noise" to the devs, they eventually respond in a negative way for the game as a whole such as nerfing certain weapons/equipment.

You all can play however you want, just stop complaining incessantly about content 70%+ of the player base has completed already.