support jobs

[TheUltimate3]

A support role wouldn't be useless, it just has to be implemented correctly.

For example, 4 man content would have to be retuned to 5 man content, 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 Support, and 2 DPS, and so forth. Otherwise, the Support would have to count as either any of the other roles which would then make the support a ghetto version of whatever.

Then there would have to be at least 2 dedicated support jobs, to at least ensure that there are enough supports running around to actually do stuff. Then finally the whole balancing act where the game has to be rebalanced to take into account that these characters are going to be around to buff everyone else.

[KyroeFelix]

the buffs and debuffs provided by BRDs were so powerful every group had to have one (getting a party as a BRD was about as easy as getting one as a tank).

I was in plenty of parties that didn't have BRDs or CORs and we did just fine. Also, I don't understand how player demand for a job makes the game unbalanced. AND, if you are doing content with your FC someone should have the class leveled to help out the group. It's just common sense. If players want to level the class, they will. As much as I loved having a BRD in party, I didn't take that job past...6. I never had a reason to. RDM, on the other hand, I took all the way to cap because I enjoyed playing a debuff class and it helped out my LS.

[Morticous]

I already eat TP on my Bard for breakfast as is... adding 5 more TP consuming skills isn't going to help me to more DPS, it's going to raise it really high, and then it's going to plummet when I need it most.
Invigorate only goes so far.

Your counterargument will be: "but the support can regen your TP" - this doesn't work because I won't always be playing in a party.

If I am solo'ing, I need survivability. Moreover, if a support class is solo'ing, they are going to be killing things forever with their low damage output... or die from their inevitable squishiness.

You wouldnt have a problem with DPS because Bard too would be made into a support class.

[Morticous]

There cannot be a pure support class in FFXIV, maybe a hybird, like moderate dps + support.

Yes, I could agree with this.. Like RDM usually works.. you would do a little bit of meele type damage, maybe some magic damage.. but nothing compared to a true DD. your main focus would be support.

[Themis]

It was thrown about following an interview that there could potentially be a 4th type of party member added, which was named as "hybrid" (and not in the sense of being either healer or DPS like Arcanist, but rather a role in and of itself). In this case, it was said that the reason for sticking with 4/8-man parties was to allow for this role to take place (in 4 man, it would 1/1/1/1, and in 8 man it would be 2/2/2/2 etc).

Whilst all classes/jobs in XIV currently could be considered hybrid, in that whilst they may be a healer they can also deal damage (WHM, SCH) or deal damage but give buffs to the party (MNK, BLM), a hybrid (I expect) would have an equal(ish) number of abilities that fill one role and another, allowing it to switch between the two. Bard already fits this quite well, and with more support songs, it will start to become less about damage and more about support (than it currently is).

[Morticous]

well hopefully they do Themis but somthing tells me they wont. Bards playing their not so true bard job today would not be happy about that.

[Alberel]

well hopefully they do Themis but somthing tells me they wont. Bards playing their not so true bard job today would not be happy about that.

If the Ranger job was implemented at the same time then they would have nothing to complain about since the DPS Bards would rather be Rangers anyway and would already have it at 50 assuming it's an ARC job.

[Morticous]

If the Ranger job was implemented at the same time then they would have nothing to complain about since the DPS Bards would rather be Rangers anyway and would already have it at 50 assuming it's an ARC job.

Thats exactly what i was trying to say.. You would rename BARD to Ranger and then create a new role named BARD and have it be a support job.. You would have to move some of the support songs old bard would have to new bard and give old bard new skills... but thats it.. NOthing to complain about.. you still have your level 50, its just DPS and its named Ranger.

[Moheeheeko]

WTB time mage with buffs, debufs, and gravity dps spells.

[Cspr_Answrth]

You wouldnt have a problem with DPS because Bard too would be made into a support class.

This was in regards to being made a Ranger, sorry for the confusion, haha.