This game getting not nice to play anymore

[Akeda]

The problem really isn't with people wanting to speed run dungeons. It's with the majority of people who have no patience and to some degree the game mechanics itself.

This game getting not nice to play anymore

This is what I think when ever I look at the Party Finder. The only thing I see are rude comments saying things like 'Kicking people who suck' or 'First timers GTFO'.

[JonBigwood]

About cutscenes: Praetorium and Castrum Meridianum have very very long cutscenes,. When I did them for first time, I had read a guide that recommended skipping them and seeing them at the inn later. You can watch anything at the inn later. It's a long time since I have not gone back there, but when i did, exp people helped a lot, making their lives easier is not that hard, watch scenes at the inn.
Most people are nice, the rude few people are very apparent and seem to be more than they are.

[gardei]

Yesterday I had my first real bad experience in the dungeon. Got Copperbell HM. Right off the bat the tank was giving me a hard time because apparently I wasn't using my "abilities" and didn't elaborate what he meant by that. He had me vote kicked before we even got off the elevator... This upset me because I didn't have time to cued up again and try again before it was time for church.... But after church I cued up, got Wanderer's Palace, and we kicked some serious Tonberry Booty, clearing that dungeon quickly.

[JonBigwood]

People who suggest skipping just don't understand the awesome feeling new players get when watching epic cut scenes for the first time. That feeling of dramatic tension right before a big fight that just gets the player pumped up! Skipping a cut scene is like wasting an adrenaline booster. Those cut scenes make the whole fight ten times better!

As I see it, it's putting your own enjoyment as more important than the other 7 players. Dungeons are a team game and the other people's interests are also very important. Deciding what to do beforehand could be a solution. People wouldn't do the Story Roulette if every time they had to wait 30 minutes because somebody wants to see the scenes. These people help the new ones survive and advance on the story line. It has gotten much easier since the Roulette and exp players go there for the tomes. Seeing guides also diminishes the enjoyment, but a new player who has not seen a guide will make the experience worse for the others, especially if he is a tank.

[Kelvani]

Yesterday I had my first real bad experience in the dungeon. Got Copperbell HM. Right off the bat the tank was giving me a hard time because apparently I wasn't using my "abilities" and didn't elaborate what he meant by that. He had me vote kicked before we even got off the elevator... This upset me because I didn't have time to cued up again and try again before it was time for church.... But after church I cued up, got Wanderer's Palace, and we kicked some serious Tonberry Booty, clearing that dungeon quickly.

Don't you just love it when people say that =/ Sorry you had to deal with that. I am a bard as well and it amazes me that he would so quickly judge you and boot you. I did take a look at your profile, and I noticed that you have not leveled your lancer or your pugilist beyond 3 and 15 respectively. There are some cross class skills you might be interested in =D I have found some really good information on bard rotations ect in the following threads if you are interested:

This one is kind of a good checklist to make sure you have your rotation down, what off class skills are helpful, and even some macros if you like them (me personally.. I only use one or two macros for letting my party know I am singing their song lol or my silence rotation). http://www.daevaofwar.net/index.php?...-to-play-bard/

this is a link to a thread here on the forums called macros for LAZY bards. Again, I don't use them myself but it is a good read http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...le-Macro/page5

[Kinseykinz]

As I see it, it's putting your own enjoyment as more important than the other 7 players. Dungeons are a team game and the other people's interests are also very important. Deciding what to do beforehand could be a solution. People wouldn't do the Story Roulette if every time they had to wait 30 minutes because somebody wants to see the scenes. These people help the new ones survive and advance on the story line. It has gotten much easier since the Roulette and exp players go there for the tomes. Seeing guides also diminishes the enjoyment, but a new player who has not seen a guide will make the experience worse for the others, especially if he is a tank.

You'd have maybe some ground to stand on IF the story wasn't part of the game. But it is. So when you ask a new player to skip their CS's (to convenience you btw), you are asking them to specifically skip a key part of the game...which was designed and developed to be enjoyed at that moment. Not 3 hours later in their in room. This isn't a 'screw you I wanna watch my stories' thing. The devs intended on everyone watching the CS's. Choosing to skip them is like Speed Running, you are more than welcome to do it, but it's not how that instance was designed to be played.

Therefore, it's the people who want to skip (or speed) who should be duty findering...NOT the people 'queueing and playing as intended' Every single time you queue for ANYTHING in game you should expect:
1. People watch CS's.
2. At least one new player
3. At least one undergeared player
4. No Speed runs.

And then, on the rare occasion where these things don't happen, thank your lucky starts and 'speed' to victory....but don't ruin the game for new people. You should treat randoms in game the same way you'd treat a LS mate of FC buddy...and you'd let THEM watch their first-timer CS's.


You don't HAVE to do the Main Scenario quests more than once...as a matter of fact, I'm a little confused why people bother. (you can more efficiently farm certain level 50 dungeons for the same amount or more Philo tomes in roughly the same amount of time...OH, AND philo tomes and the items they craft are dirt cheap/plain old obsolete if you aren't actively running BC and can spend 2-3 weeks farming myth (not a Main Scenario reward) and CT (for CT gear).


I mean geez, BC+CT+High level roulettes+ random in game stuff each week= I have to 'dump' Philo tomes 1-3 times a week. (IE by random tome mats and re-sell on wards or stock up the FC chest with). I haven't needed an 'tome' item in ages. And most new players can basically skip the 'tome' phase if they can farm Myth in their AF/level 50 dungeon drops for 1-3 weeks+run CT.

What I mean:
Newly ranked level 50
-can earn 450 Myth Tomes each week by farming both CT and 'easier' level 50 dungeons like WP.
-Will also net 1-1.5K Philo tomes a week easy by doing this farming
-can also unlock 'A relic' reborn once main story is cleared

Week 1.
-Save first 900 Philo tomes for 'relic key item' (can buy and hang onto if easier)
-Sit on first 450 Myth tomes
-Earn a CT piece for your Job (ideally aim for body or legs first as they are the most 'costly' in tomes)
-Get up to at least Chimera on relic (if you started quest this week)

Week 2.
-Spend the 1000ish Philo tomes you should now be sitting on on some gear upgrades if you desire (I'd probably suggest accessories since body pieces are easy to get in CT/Myth)
-Spend your first 495 of myth on your Head/Hands or Feet
-Get another CT drop (whatever you don't have in myth/CT from last week)
-Be to at least the Hydra Battle (consider farming Ifrit/Garuda for a weapon for your class...but not necessary if you have Grand Company weapon)

Week 3
-Again, you will naturally earn 1000ish Philo tomes doing your weekly thing. Spend them on accessories/consider buying some mats to make gil
-You should have at least 405 Myth left from the previous week (this is assuming you never earned a single myth tome throughout the game until you hit level 50...which is unlikely) Earning another 450, puts you just shy of 900 (855) Sit on these
-Farm CT, get a piece for your job
-Finish A relic reborn (get Relic)

So by the end of 3 weeks, just doing normal 'endgame farming' (but not doing BC) you will potentially have
-A Relic Weapon (ilvl 80)
-A Myth Head (Ilvl 90)(or feet or hands...but using head in my example)
-A CT body (ilvl 80)
-A dungeon belt (ilvl 55)
-A CT hands (ilvl 80)
-A CT legs (ilvl 80)
-Dungeon or AF legs (ilvl 50-55ish)
-Also, you will have full or close to full Darklight accessories if you opted for them (or astral if you had them crafted) (Ilvl 70 accessories)

By your 4th week out, you'd have a +1 relic (Ilvl 90 weapon) and Your last AF slot filled with CT gear....and more than enough gear to start farming Binding Coil.

So again, WHY do you need to farm Philo tomes? Because seriously, unless you are trying to jump into BC your first week after hitting level 50 (or trying to quickly gear multiple jobs at the same time...which a rare 'newly level 50 problem), there is no need. Especially when you factor in most 'newly minted level 50's' still have alt classes to level, sidequests to finish, dungeons to unlock and all of patch 2.1 content to still do.

And in less than a month, BC T1-5 becomes 'farmable' and I believe Myth cap is raised as well, making it easier to gain ilvl90 gear.

So even if you have the time to farm storyline for Philo tomes...you could better spend your in-game time doing basically anything else. Who wants to spend all that time getting gear you literally will only use 1-2 weeks? Why?

And if you do it for gil, well, you missed that boat by about 5 months.

[zaviermhigo]

The only reason I could see for skipping CS, is getting praetorium with a mostly new group, the first time I ran that (all server made party) we didn't have enough time to kill Ultima if we didn't skip that last few, but we had all agreed on that. Really its just Praetorium with its long ass cutscenes. If you cut that out its a much shorter dungeon. But why are people doing Storymode roulette? I understand needing philo for two star mats, which I do CT for, which does suck cause CT is suck incarnate due to people, but it just gets you so much philo with also giving you 50 myth every time. You do coil 1-4 and then some CTs to cap. If you're patient, then do Main story roulette, impatient people should go to the desperation pit that is CT and suffer through the mess they made with this community lol.

[Hocchi]

It's sad how the community is, pathetic really.
I always allow people to go at their own pace, if they want to watch cut-scenes it doesn't bother me, they have every right to do so.
But I guess people with patience is a rare thing nowadays.

[LordSaviour]

A lot of High levels run Duty Roulette for tomestones. These people want to speed run the dungeons in minutes, while in a group with people who are new and still learning.

This ends up wasting everyone's time, because the high level players are impatient and leave the duty when paired with people who are new. This in turn creates a poor atmosphere in the community.

There was this one run I had to call a GM on a player for using profanity!

I don't know what to do, but this makes me want to cancel my sub.

/rant

There! Fixed.

[Fendred]

There is a certain amount of social responsibility that everyone shares, but there is also the fact that the gear and tomes are all we have left after a while. The content becomes old and people just want the gear. The system does encourage the kind of rage and anguish that is being vented on these forums. Heck, I used to be rather constructive, but now I have trouble doing that.