Any consensus on most important stats for WHM/SCH?

[Fynlar]

Critical doesn't effect anything for WHM.

wut

Sure, maybe it's more useful for Adloquium than anything else, but to say it affects nothing for WHM is kind of misleading

[FJerome]

Serious question, does no one meld for piety?

[KiraVaela]

I'm still not sold on crit being such a no brainer for SCH. If you could get close to 40% crit (for Adloquium that is), then I wouldn't doubt it, but afaik you can get to like 21% max with food (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm not that good in math, but lets see:

Say in T5 I don't cast Adloquium that often, mostly before DS, during Snakes and such. Let's say I cast 10-12 Adloquiums during 5 minutes of fight, chances are 1/4 of them would crit. Thats roughly 2-3.

I know, Physick/Succor crits are also nice and pet actions can crit too, but the main reason is obviously Adloquium here.

I would like to see the math on how much mana you can save with crits compared to larger heals overall through det.

[Maelwys]

I know, Physick/Succor crits are also nice and pet actions can crit too, but the main reason is obviously Adloquium here.

Don't forget the "Enhanced Pet Actions" trait
I wouldn't stack Crit over MND, but would certainly go MND > Crit > DET > SS on a SCH.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

As a White Mage, I'm a fan of Piety. I'll look for i90 pieces that have Mind and Piety. Whatever that comes with, great. Though I like Critical more for the same reason I like Freecure and the Cure III procs. A chance to save a good chunk of MP (e.g. Regen and Medica II crit ticks).

And while it's possible to heal well without the Piety focus or the Determination focus, I've never liked asking a Bard for Mage's Ballad when they could be doing damage (don't mind if it's during an idle/invulnerability phase). And even more, if a Bard goes down, having to raise the Bard, wait for them to recover MP, then they sing Mage's Ballad. I wanted to avoid these scenarios as much as I can even after raising people and topping them off before the unavoidable AoE.

The drawback is that now as a Bard, I assume every White Mage won't run into MP issues and frequently forget to Mage's Ballad when it's needed outside of the battle's normal routine.

[Tranquil]

I personally think crit is a bit overrated for the SCH for the very reason KiraVaela provided, ie. due to underwhelming crit rates as it stands, never mind the fact the spell on which the whole meta is built around (mainly) doesn't get spammed so much to begin with, with some precision-casting situationally. Now, don't get me wrong: is crit bad? No, it is not, it has some very good synergy for the SCH, but I don't think it is the be-all-end-all no-brainer people say it is - at least for my own playstyle. Even the enhanced pet action doesn't wholly impress me because it is just more RNG built on top the inconsistent crit rates. Granted, Embrace is something you do spam 100% of the time manually, anyway, meaning you'll get that proc sooner or later always, but the slightly higher heals for both Embrace and Physicks/Adlos, with higher but slightly less frequent crits more than makes up for it in my opinion when it comes to DET/hybrid-builds.

My own "DET-build" is still incomplete due to very heavy RNG-inconsistencies (me being short of 2 Allagan accessories + the Inferno bangle of healing [38 Ifrit EX kills so far and not seen it drop once, even got the nightmare mount from Ifrit - I swear we get the casting one like 60% of our kills]), but I still prefer to use the Allagan tunic of healing and the allagan choker of healing over my Argute gown and Hero's necklace of healing, for +28 DET and -38 Crit. Even that amount of DET is enough to notice the slight increases in the median heals, it also affecting my off-DPS numbers a bit (which I am very trigger-happy with, all content included). Of course we are not talking about extreme differences in numbers here, but some testing and fiddling around has showed me that the -38 crit rarely has any impact on how often I do crit, with the higher median heals and slightly higher peaks more than making up for it (never mind the higher median crit). I only pretty much switch to my crit-build (have them both in my hotbars) when I am trying to cast a crit-adlo on a T5 solotank before the initial pull and that is literally it, me switching back to the normal build after I have landed a crit - even then it sometimes takes ages for a crit to pop up >.>..

So when all is said and done, it is interesting to see the differences with what different people spec for fights and I do think crit is very good for adlo/pet actions, never mention the ocassional crit-heals in general, as the Scholar doesn't really get hurt from critting due to no threat issues. But even so, I am more sold on capitalizing on DET when applicable, having crit there as the go-to stat otherwise when applicable. I am still about 30 DET short of my current pre-2.2 ideal build and will likely never complete it before the patch (gonna farm 'til the healing bangle drops though) and would lose about the same amount in crit if I did actually complete it - so I don't know if I have hit some sweet spot here with 439 Crit and 274 DET (no foods), but that is unlikely. ;P

[Iymala]

I'm still not sold on crit being such a no brainer for SCH. If you could get close to 40% crit (for Adloquium that is), then I wouldn't doubt it, but afaik you can get to like 21% max with food (correct me if I'm wrong).

If I remember right it is roughly 15crit( I have seen 14 as well, but I will pick the higher number for arguments sake) = 1%. For a scholar with i90 BIS that is around 523crit (513 with all i90 pieces, you can push it higher...to around 540 with mixing in i80, but you lose other stats and 10 from HQ buttons) = 34-35% crit chance (depending if the game rounds up or down). That is a decent amount of crit and with the way that Adlo scales it is by far my favorite state. I find myself using Adlo a lot more than I used to because I have the mana pool to sustain a good bit of Aldo weaving otherwise I just sit at close to full mana if I do not.

[Judge_Xero]

I think it was just the Royal Shoes that were needed for Crit. So like 3 MND and VIT loss. I would choose Crit on SCH any day. Around 25% chance to crit vs 5% VS 25 extra HP healed with Det.

[PArcher]

Personally, for my WHM I'm mixing SS and DET. Having those slightly faster heals can be the difference between a live and dead tank, but so can that extra bit of HP healed. Also, having too much DET can lead to overhealing in places, so more SS can reduce it by a little (yeah, I know its not a huge difference, but still)

Crit is last as far as the three secondaries go. I do like a lot of PIE, however, but since most of the gear I'm looking at has PIE...I'm not worrying about it much

Just need to get the three T4 drops to finish the build...

[joshsecret]

in my healing trials i have come to just mix all 3.

i love crit. i like being able to swap gear with my sch and the big numbers are pretty beyond the big numbers, it is nice to crit and in turn save mp due to fewer casts needed.

i like spell speed... for certain things. when i was 1st starting whm it helped in my reaction time. when i play with less than great players it helps to get them back up. but as many have said, everything is scripted. so if you happen to run w a steady (good) group, spell speed wont be as useful. pug with randoms that have 'lag' or dodge issues and it can come in handy. i will admit that when i first started replacing SS pieces that i did feel so slow.

det is ok. it is your fall back stat in my eyes. it just takes so much to matter that i end up prioritizing it rather low. i would rather have an extra 1% chance to crit then to have a dedicated +15 on each heal.