Any consensus on most important stats for WHM/SCH?

[Grotesque]

As a WHM, I personally go for Det, Crit, Vit and put my Bonus Points into MND (all 30). I'm looking forward for ilvl90 crafter accessoires

[Ashkente]

Has anyone ever tested the difference between a full crit build, full det build, and a full spell speed build? Do the differences in secondary stats really matter that much in the overall scheme of things for healers?

I have...

Assuming the same mind, and using your Allagan weapon outside of a party and with no buffs:

Determination takes the better average for white mage, but only by less than a quarter of a percentage. Average heals for Crit build: 1105, Average heals for Det build: 1107

Numbers: 501 mind
Critical in Crit Build: 450
Det in Crit Build: 227

Critical in Det Build: 356
Det in Det build: 315

Highest I could get my spell speed to was 507, bringing my recast time to 2.34.

(Continued)

[Ashkente]

Theoretical Scenario: If you are fighting Twintania and for the whole fight you had to cast Cure 1 without ceasing and not have to worry about serious overhealing or movement you would cast Cure 1 about 308 times, assuming you complete the fight as fast as 12 minutes.

With lesser spell speed, the number would be closer to 294 (let's use this for det and crit build)

In this theoretical situation, Spell Speed would WIN by about a single percentage, increasing more the longer the fight is. However, there is not a situation in the game where this has come into play, as you need to move around frequently in these fights, making constant, uninterrupted healing impossible, and thus Spell Speed, pointless.

Consensus: Gear however the hell you want between Spell Crit and Determination. The difference between gearing for spell crit or determination for a white mage is small enough to be completely negligible.

[Tinks]

In this theoretical situation, Spell Speed would WIN by about a single percentage, increasing more the longer the fight is. However, there is not a situation in the game where this has come into play, as you need to move around frequently in these fights, making constant, uninterrupted healing impossible, and thus Spell Speed, pointless.

Here is the thing with spell speed. Unless you have a full static that you play exclusively with, it isn't a useless stat. It isn't so much the spamming cure that makes it useful, because you should never have to do that for extended periods, even in a PUG. What makes spell speed useful is being able to get that cure off on a DPS that just got hit by a plume and still dodge in time. Spell speed increases the window in which you can move and your spell still cast.

The thing with the crit/det/spell speed arguments is that its entirely about preference at this point, because none of them make significant enough difference to make one ground-breakingly better than another. I go spell speed because I find that being able to move sooner at the end of my casts is more valuable to me and my playstyle than a slightly higher cure because I tend to run with consistent and reliable tanks, but less reliable DPS. Its the unexpected moments that make spell speed more useful. I also enjoy DPSing; being able to weave Aero II and Aero in between cures is fun for me. To each their own ^_^

[Fynlar]

Critical doesn't effect anything for WHM.

wut

Sure, maybe it's more useful for Adloquium than anything else, but to say it affects nothing for WHM is kind of misleading

[FJerome]

Serious question, does no one meld for piety?

[Arya_Drottningu]

Serious question, does no one meld for piety?

No they do not. In fact I actually gear so that I have the least piety possible. Especially for scholar, piety is a wasted stat point.

[KiraVaela]

I'm still not sold on crit being such a no brainer for SCH. If you could get close to 40% crit (for Adloquium that is), then I wouldn't doubt it, but afaik you can get to like 21% max with food (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm not that good in math, but lets see:

Say in T5 I don't cast Adloquium that often, mostly before DS, during Snakes and such. Let's say I cast 10-12 Adloquiums during 5 minutes of fight, chances are 1/4 of them would crit. Thats roughly 2-3.

I know, Physick/Succor crits are also nice and pet actions can crit too, but the main reason is obviously Adloquium here.

I would like to see the math on how much mana you can save with crits compared to larger heals overall through det.

[Maelwys]

I know, Physick/Succor crits are also nice and pet actions can crit too, but the main reason is obviously Adloquium here.

Don't forget the "Enhanced Pet Actions" trait
I wouldn't stack Crit over MND, but would certainly go MND > Crit > DET > SS on a SCH.