Adamantoise Progression Thread

[KingAhmoseTheFirst]

uh oh....

[Tivia]

showing class and congratulating people for clearing turns instead of telling us what you feel about things.. honestly majority of the people don't come on here to see what tivia thinks about this and that.. maybe you just need to realize this... now show me some more salt

Huh, thats funny as I'm pretty sure that is what I do. I asked a question on name change with a smiley face (that usually indicates a lack of anything outside amusement) and you are the one who came in here being a dick telling me how to run things on a question I "CLEARLY" asked in amusement not out of any hostility. I got hostile when you showed a supreme amount of disrespect for something I do because I enjoy it. What do you people all have Smiley's disabled or not know what they mean? Seriously. There was never any salt or hostility.

On to other things.

As for why I don't include non FC's. That is for a number of reasons.
1) It makes the list a mess quite honestly.
2) Most importantly I believe that LS (only) groups are bad for the community as a whole. I actually posted a long bit about this in another thread. The major problem this game has is a complete lack of community and the fact that everything is so fragmented up among LS's. Now LS's aren't the cause of this, it is the combination of them with largely 8 man content. So yes I focus on the things that Build communities which are Free companies, Not linkshells. Sorry but it is the LS that is the glorified chat room not the FC. If you don't understand that and sit around wondering why the community seems so fragmented, perhaps at some point 1+1 will = 2. It isn't difficult to figure out for anyone who has been around these types of games for years. So not it isn't me being belittling or disrespectful of those not affiliated with a FC. Actually I do include multi FC groups, I just have specific requirements for it. As for not including multiple groups within a FC, there is just zero point as that likewise just clutters up the list. Everyone knows that FFXIV has multiple groups clearing Turn 9 for example. So yes I chose to exclude it because it serves no real purpose. Also before anyone says something stupid like (well you only do that to make DH look better because you have fewer groups herp durp). Actually at the time I established that policy we had as many if not more groups clearing content as anyone outside of FFXIV, so obviously that wasn't the case. I did it explicitly for the reasons I stated, no motives no nothing outside wanting to Spotlight the things that I know can help the community come together. I don't know about the rest of you, but personally I would like to see this game and its community grow and it be something I can play like everquest for 5+ years and enjoy every minute of it. Everyone remaining isolated in their own little 8 man world and guilds be damned is just something I am not supportive of because it is counter productive to the community growing. You are free to disagree with me, just as you are free to start another progression thread if you don't like how I run it.

I don't know why the lot of you came in here thread crapping and personally I don't really care. If you think I won't respond to being disrespected to what was an obvious amusement question though you are sorely mistaken. If you have some chip on your shoulder against me personally, again I really do not care. Take it else where or be an adult and approach me directly. Sorry but I quit playing childish highschool games and popularity contests years ago.

[KingAhmoseTheFirst]

I just cant stop laughing tho... lol..

[Platinum_Disco]

Spotlight the things that I know can help the community come together.

As long as that community doesn't include groups that don't have a common housing plot, amirite. The point of a thread like this is to list who's done what with who. Its purpose doesn't get much more complicated than that. Dunno where any of this community building stuff is coming from

[Tivia]

As long as that community doesn't include groups that don't have a common housing plot, amirite. The point of a thread like this is to list who's done what with who. Its purpose doesn't get much more complicated than that. Dunno where any of this community building stuff is coming from

Housing plot has nothing to do with it, however a LS group is just that.. a group nothing more. Free companies are guilds and guilds are what have Always driven communities forward in games. People recognize guilds, people don't recognize groups. It isn't any more complicated than that. You don't see people talking about X persons group..you see people talking about Blue Garter. This is not a complex thing to wrap your head around. So yes, I choose to exclude individual groups from the progression thread, same rules apply to the world progression thread actually there are no LS groups there either. Sorry but one group of people doesn't do anything to bring the community together because no one has a chance of joining that one group of people outside one of their members quitting. People do however have the opportunity to join a Guild, and they do which is why guilds have always and will always be the major driving force behind community growth.

Like I said, if you want to run a thread that tries to recognize every single group out there, especially when most of the groups who are at the top have multiple alts in multiple groups doing the same thing. Well then more power to you. My goal is to have a Clear concise list of the top progression focused Guilds, not a list of every 8 man group on the entire server. I want to see more of these individual groups flying under a larger group flag, not all fragmented into individual entities.

[Takanashi_Rika]

So yes, I choose to exclude individual groups from the progression thread, same rules apply to the world progression thread actually there are no LS groups there either.

My last post on the topic, but after thoroughly reading the world progression thread, they appear to have no rule outlawing LS raidgroups. Not that it will change your mind, I just wanted to point this out.
A side point here as much as you say "If someone else wants to run this thread, be my guest" no-one is volunteering, so this must not be that big of an issue to those involved with LS raids.

[Platinum_Disco]

My last post on the topic, but after thoroughly reading the world progression thread, they appear to have no rule outlawing LS raidgroups. Not that it will change your mind, I just wanted to point this out.
A side point here as much as you say "If someone else wants to run this thread, be my guest" no-one is volunteering, so this must not be that big of an issue to those involved with LS raids.

It's cuz LS's are busy destroying communities to keep up with world progression, man. Priorities

[Omnilex]

this is what happens when you kill t9

[Tivia]

this is what happens when you kill t9

I made all these changes when I took over months ago. Only thing that has changed is apparently some people suddenly developed a lack of reading capability.

[Platinum_Disco]

however a LS group is just that.. a group nothing more. Free companies are guilds and guilds are what have Always driven communities forward in games.

That's completely irrelevant in the context of this thread. Anyone who posts here for the intended purpose of this thread is asking to recognize them and the 7 other people with them. People who peruse this thread will see that a group of 8 players under a common name did stuff before another group of 8 players could do their stuff under their common name.

People recognize guilds, people don't recognize groups. It isn't any more complicated than that. You don't see people talking about X persons group..you see people talking about Blue Garter.

It's semantics. If Blue Garter had formed using the in-game linkshell feature rather than the in-game free company feature, then their means of communication would be /ls1 rather than /fc - Their world first fame would still be there under that same name - just under a different in-game feature. This game is unique to other mmo's in that it has these two redundant features. They serve the same purpose, for the most part - so having some awkward distinction between them under the banner of "building community" is just out there.

Sorry but one group of people doesn't do anything to bring the community together because no one has a chance of joining that one group of people outside one of their members quitting. People do however have the opportunity to join a Guild, and they do which is why guilds have always and will always be the major driving force behind community growth.

This what confuses me the most about the "community building" thing. If by growth you mean the growth of players inside a number of FC's, then there are much more productive means to accomplish that. The decision of whether a player want to interact with a certain FC has little to do with the function of this thread. No one looks to this thread to see potential FC's to join or to play with - the people who view this thread are the same people who contribute to it. The thread serves as a place for already-established groups to compete/trash talk/stroke epeens with each other at their own leisure.

I mean, if you haven't noticed, this thread hasn't done much, if anything at all, to shift the forum activity off of recruitment posts. No one cares about who did stuff before another group when they're trying to just find a group to do stuff with - and they're not going to look here to find the latter.

I made all these changes when I took over months ago.

Again, probably because no one cared, and most likely, no one still cares. As long as the thread maintained the premise of showing who did what with who at what time, you can insert your ideologies of religious fundamentalism into how your organize it if you wanted. The topic somehow came up among all the /popcorn, and there could potentially be some more popcorn depending on how try-hard your future responses are.