Thread: Gear Progression after 2.2

Not only will you have to do the content at least once to unlock later content, new players will have to have some semblance of decent gear as they progress. After patch 2.4 you won't be able to ding 50 on a new character and jump into Coil 10-14/15 and start earning level 130 gear (or whatever it is). You'll have to run through some endgame dungeons, collect dungeon drops, darklight, HM primals, myth pieces, CT, etc. until you can get into Coil (probably ilvl 70 in DF -- we'll see), and then you can probably collect gear at a faster pace to get into turns 5-9 (which will also be on DF by then) and start getting whatever new tome will be released in 2.2.

To me it seems to work out well because the rate at which players can gear up increases, but it's still required to run through the majority of the content. The biggest issue will likely be finding other people to do that content with you as we get further and further from release.

Originally Posted by Lumiin

If you roll a ms behind or above the numbers will be in order. I find that strange, usually in games with the roll feature no matter what it's always different no matter how close to someone else you rolled.

I've noticed that too, way too many rolls with people winning or losing just by 1. I mean sure RNG and probability and all that but it still looks strange so something is going on with their RNG, even if yes technically it's supposed to be like that, working as intended, etc.

Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

"True" sandbox games are more than what most of the people defining themselves "hardcore" (and bashing on theme park MMOs) could handle.

Try EVE Online: fully player-driven, completely sandbox, and horizontal progression.
Of course, being fully player-driven means it's also the most harsh, cruel and trollish gaming environment currently in existence.

Good luck :P

Eve is a good game, had a lot of fun with it. Not a fan of the time based skill system though, kind of just slowly stopped playing as I realized I was just logging in to set up skill queues then logging back out.

A lot of MMOs could learn a bit from Eve though, it's got a very loyal fan base that shows no signs of going anywhere for a good long while yet.

More like gear progression after 2.3.9.6.1.4.5.7.4.2.5.a

So...

1) If the current content could be still relevant in future updates
- People would ask why they have to STILL beat T1-5
- There would be way too much content to run every week, and the gap between hardcores and casual would be bigger
- Most people wouldn't run it (see the first point), so new people couldn't run it easily. They'd have to find a LS/FC running it
- If you want to run it so bad, you can. It's not like they're closing it, they're just making it more accessible.
- some of the new items would be irrelevant. How would you make a better weapon than Allagan spear ? Make a crit/det spear ? Fine. What would you do in 2.4 ? a det/crit spear ? Fine. What about 2/6 ? Yeah.

Having a better gear doesn't mean you can't run it : it'll still give myths and i90 gear, so you'll run it to gear your other chars, until doing t6-9. If the gear was still relevant on par with the new gear, there would be no point having the new one for most people, and they'd complain "why isn't the gear better than what I have ?!".


2) About the time needed to be i90
- As someone said, the amount of myth you can already get is able to gear almost 2 roles to i90. More if you gear pld/war, drg/mnk, whm/sch, or blm/smn (since accessories are shared).
- If people don't make at least half the myths, never ran coil or a primal to get a piece of gear, then I don't think they care so much about not having the best gear available, don't you guy think ?
- I've stopped the game at the end of November and started again mid February. I had 2 myth gear by then, and I'm already i87. I could be i88 if I replaced a necklace by myth, and i90 if I farmed Garuda enough to get her ring.
- i90 doesn't mean BiS. Enough people are already i90 but far from BiS gear (I've met a Dragoon i90 with 520 acc, earlier).


3) How could it be fixed ?
- Make so that a piece of gear can be upgraded to the new ilevel (with an item you can get in the new coil maybe, or myths). Same stats as the new one, just another way to have it, and rewards players who had it before (or add some more farming to new players)
- Sync you gear to i90/95 when you join T1-5. Still some challenge, and people might simply run it because they like it.
- Reduce the ilevel of the new myth items (85 maybe), so people who got it before will still have something better than newcomers.



The game is all about rewarding people so they still want to play. I understand that trashing your gear is always sad. But you'll get to put your hands on another whole new set to be superduper competitive if that's what you want, and you'll still use this one until you get the new gear (after all, some of you seem to think it's too hard to be full i90, so you'll probably still wear some of myth/allagan gear for 2.4).

Remember that Vanity slots are coming too, so it won't be TOTALLY useless, since you'll still be able to use it for vanity purpose.

If the new gear were as good as the current (most people don't care about min/maxing the stats they only see i90), then there would be no reward for most people, and except for the fun of the new encounters that would last a few weeks, they'd simply stop playing (and so would most of you).

If we can only farm Amdapor Township for the new tomes aside from 6-9 I am not going to keep paying, I still have bad memories of doing WP over and over over and over

(I've met a Dragoon i90 with 520 acc, earlier)

If only that ACC was instead Crit, then he would crit 1% more often, clearly this would be a massive difference