Gear Progression after 2.2

**Lumiin** · 03-05-2014 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by Zell

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Stopped reading at the ridiculous casual statement. I'll never understand why people on these forums turns everything it into a casual vs hardcore. Reread my first comment, let it sink in and process. MY point was the fact that they are replacing gear fast, some people are upset because they just got it, now they are replacing it. I don't give a rats if a casual logs in and gets it just for logging in. That isn't what I'm talking about. Please save that ridiculous casual excuse for someone else.

Fact is they are replacing gear fast, as soon as most people got it. Which is why a lot of people are upset. Should people be able to set on gear for years before new gear comes out? No. Not even what I'm suggesting or implying. If anyone here thinks that's how it should be, don't play mmos. 6 months would be a great balance if there wasn't a token system AND a rng+week long lock out. You keep talking about how are players suppose to catch up but the way the current system is designed will keep them forever behind if they miss a week or more.

**Zell** · 03-05-2014 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

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i90 gear has been available since release. I've been given 6 months to get it. It's not SE's fault if it takes me that long to get it. What about the person that got the i90 gear 5 months ago, should he have to wait another 6 months before he can get an upgrade?

You are conflating issues. When you get gear vs. when they are available are two separate things. Yes yes, 3 months ago we got i90 accessories from primals that may be replaced 3 months later, however, that gear was a sidegrade, not an upgrade.

**Lumiin** · 03-05-2014 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Zell

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It doesn't matter when they are released. Its about when they can be obtained. If its designed to take you 6 months to get gear just so SE can replace it shortly after most of the people get it. Then yeah people are going to be mad. Which is why most of the people I talked to that are mad about it, are mad about it. It has nothing to do if casuals can get i90 its the fact that they just got most of their myth pieces and now they have to do the whole token system and week lock out crap AFTER THEY JUST GOT DONE. Most people like to be able to sit on it for awhile.

Me personally, I don't give a crap. If it's no pvp and no dungeons that drop phat lewt to sell. I don't see why people even bother getting all the top tier gear. Buut that's just me.

**LunarEmerald** · 03-05-2014 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

I dont think OP is saying he wants his gear to be the best for ever, or that he wants everyone to have to struggle like he did forever. I think his problem is that they are making it useless so fast. Other mmos usually don't make it where it takes months to get the gear due to some casual token system AND THEN make it obsolete with every patch, not expansion.

It won't be BiS, but it won't be useless. As of right now, Darklight still isn't useless. Darklight can serve you well for everything but the EX primals and Turn 5. i90 gear won't be useless come patch 2.2. It will just no longer be the best.

**Zell** · 03-05-2014 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

It doesn't matter when they are released. Its about when they can be obtained. If its designed to take you 6 months to get gear just so SE can replace it shortly after most of the people get it. Then yeah people are going to be mad. Which is why most of the people I talked to that are mad about it, are mad about it. It has nothing to do if casuals can get i90 its the fact that they just got most of their myth pieces and now they have to do the whole token system and week lock out crap AFTER THEY JUST GOT DONE. Most people like to be able to sit on it for awhile.

I'm sorry. I'm really really trying to give your argument the benefit of the doubt but i can't.
Most people have at least one i90 or close to i90 character.

By the time 2.2 rolls around, 28-30 weeks will have elapsed (7 months).
16 weeks of 300 mythology a week = 4800 Mythology.
12 weeks of 450 mythology a week = 5400 Mythology.

For a Total of 10,200 Mythology. That means that a person who has NEVER done coil, has never done any of the extreme primals, will have one job at i90 in THREE months (not 6 as you claim) and another job i87+ in another (THREE months).

So, even assuming that ABSOLUTE worst case scenario.... a person can have an i90 character in HALF the time.

Now please see the other side of the coin. A player who does coil turns 1-3 and gets a few drops here and there. And maybe that same player has some luck getting Ultima accessory and Garuda Extreme accessory so that they don't have to spend any mythology, or half they would have spent. That person will become i90 in probably 2 months of play if they supplement the gear that doesn't drop from coil.

As a previous poster has said, you are completely overexagerating how long it takes to become i90 even using the most CASUAL of standards.

**File2ish** · 03-05-2014 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

Fact is they are replacing gear fast, as soon as most people got it. Which is why a lot of people are upset. Should people be able to set on gear for years before new gear comes out? No. Not even what I'm suggesting or implying. If anyone here thinks that's how it should be, don't play mmos.

But... But... My Joyeuse in FFXI lasted me until I finally got a level 99 dark elemental magian trial shikargar for Red Mage... That was at least two years after I got it...! ALL GEAR SHOULD DO THAT!

Joking aside (well, at least the latter part of what I said was joking), yeah we get some gear way too quickly and dare I say easily (it's literally grind tomes for some of it). It's like all throw away for the super "hardcore" players until you get your "BiS". Though some of us still won't be getting caught up for a while yet; time, money, douchebaggery of other players ("AF gear!? Kick the nub!"), lockouts, lack of will to do coil, lack of will to redo dungeons/raids for tomes, etc. Those of us that get left behind gear-wise are still generally accepted to do stuff, catching up to full ilvl 90 probably isn't a whole lot of people's biggest interest either (certainly isn't mine, I've been 76-79 at least a month).

**Lumiin** · 03-05-2014 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Zell

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That's IF the person caps every week. Quite a bit of people don't for numerous reasons. If you read carefully you'll see where I stated "This is how some of the people that I've talked, that are mad about it feels" These are people that have been around for longer than 3 months. Not to mention a lot of people don't focus on just one class. They do myths gear for other classes aswell. Since you can do it all on one char.

And the person that becomes complete i90 in 2 months is rare and lucky. What's your point? That's like saying "Its a lot of people that got to 50 within the first 3 days of release they need to raise lvl cap faster"

Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

It won't be BiS, but it won't be useless. As of right now, Darklight still isn't useless. Darklight can serve you well for everything but the EX primals and Turn 5. i90 gear won't be useless come patch 2.2. It will just no longer be the best.

Yeah I explained how I used useless. I don't know if its a mmo thing or just the mmos that I come from. But gear used to get better gear is "throw away gear" and/or "useless" Even though ALL gear until the game goes has high as it's going too is throw away gear.

**File2ish** · 03-05-2014 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Zell

I'm sorry. I'm really really trying to give your argument the benefit of the doubt but i can't.
Most people have at least one i90 or close to i90 character.

By the time 2.2 rolls around, 28-30 weeks will have elapsed (7 months).
16 weeks of 300 mythology a week = 4800 Mythology.
12 weeks of 450 mythology a week = 5400 Mythology.

For a Total of 10,200 Mythology. That means that a person who has NEVER done coil, has never done any of the extreme primals, will have one job at i90 in THREE months (not 6 as you claim) and another job i87+ in another (THREE months).

So, even assuming that ABSOLUTE worst case scenario.... a person can have an i90 character in HALF the time.

Now please see the other side of the coin. A player who does coil turns 1-3 and gets a few drops here and there. And maybe that same player has some luck getting Ultima accessory and Garuda Extreme accessory so that they don't have to spend any mythology, or half they would have spent. That person will become i90 in probably 2 months of play if they supplement the gear that doesn't drop from coil.

As a previous poster has said, you are completely overexagerating how long it takes to become i90 even using the most CASUAL of standards.

Doesn't all of this assume the player will cap every week (or has capped nearly every week)? Your definition of casual appears to be that they still cap most weeks, giving them enough myth to get full ilvl 90 without doing coil. It simply isn't the case. I consider myself an average player, not casual and I don't have a single ilvl 90 job (I have 3 war/magic jobs to 50, 5 if I count my alt). I've only collected enough myth to get me my WHM relic zenith and AF1.5 body/hands/feet (and almost head), and I've played quite often since early access (minus a couple weeks of February, Lightning Returns and Tales of Symphonia Chronicles came out). Not everyone grinds away like crazy for tomes and we have other things to do outside of the game. You, sir, are over-exaggerating how other players actually play the game.

**Daenerys_Sedai** · 03-05-2014 05:34 AM

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**Zell** · 03-05-2014 05:37 AM

Look that's fair to say that everyone doesn't cap every week because it does take time. However, how do you balance the decision not to cap every week to those that do. There has to be some balance right? 3 months is too quick, 1 year is too slow because it will make people bored and leave the game. What is a good balance between introducing new gear to work towards, and the amount of time that is considered reasonable, before you add gear that makes the previous gear obsolete?

I am positive that YoshiP and the team have done calculations and they know, ON AVERAGE, how long it takes for people to be geared enough to try the next tier of content. Do you believe they would release 2.2 with a SIGNIFICANT iLvl increase if their internal numbers showed that 85% of the people averaged i60? I think they know exactly what is a fair time line for casual and hardcore alike.

As someone like myself who does a little coil, a little primals here and there, with my work and family schedule, the 6 month content patch is jsut enough to time to progress while not feeling behind.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the characterization that items become obsolete in 3 months. It's 6 months and 6 months is perfect.

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