Gear Progression after 2.2

**Lumiin** · 03-04-2014 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

Useless is a very interesting word to use.

My Main is almost in full 90, but I can't see all my valor gear being useless as I will not instantaneously be in the new gear. I have that THE WORST luck with Coil (look at my gear, I have 0 coil gear), and don't foresee myself getting coil gear in the next turns unless my luck changes. At this point, I am content with my Mythology gear and will use it for the very purpose I got it: To be ahead of the curve when it comes to the next patch.

Useless as in its not the top any more. It's just throw away gear (Even though all gear until you reach the highest level the game is going to go is throw away gear) use it to get the next best set and then don't use it again.

**Fayto** · 03-04-2014 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

Useless as in its not the top any more. It's just throw away gear (Even though all gear until you reach the highest level the game is going to go is throw away gear) use it to get the next best set and then don't use it again.

This is a problem how? Didn't know we'll get the best gear in 2.2 on day one.

**Lumiin** · 03-05-2014 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Fayto

This is a problem how? Didn't know we'll get the best gear in 2.2 on day one.

Its like people just quote ready to argue without even readying previous comments. Go read my previous comment.

**Zell** · 03-05-2014 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

I dont think OP is saying he wants his gear to be the best for ever, or that he wants everyone to have to struggle like he did forever. I think his problem is that they are making it useless so fast. Other mmos usually don't make it where it takes months to get the gear due to some casual token system AND THEN make it obsolete with every patch, not expansion.

What's the alternative? Make it impossible for new players (PS4/Steam) to ever catch up? Would you suggest we make this FFXI 2.0 where it took 7 months to get to level cap. SE wants this game to be relevant for new comers and veterans alike. If you are a progression guild, your benefit is that you get the best gear FIRST and tackle the content first. When 2.2 rolls around and you're in i90 because you've already beat Twintania, you will tackle Coil 6-9 first and get the best gear AGAIN.... FIRST. Everyone else that wants to catch up will still have to do myth grind parties, while you're already on turn 8.

This is a great system. The hardcore players will always be ahead by nature of the definition "Hardcore." Just because you spent 2 months farming coil in advance of everyone else doesn't mean you're entitled ot your i90 status for the next 2 years. The 6 month cycle is perfect. Just enough to time to differentiate between hardcore and casual, and enough time to allow new commers to become veterans and "caught up" within that span of time.

And before I get flamed, I currently have i87 Warrior and i86 Scholar. I beat Ifrit Extreme and Titan Extreme for the FIRST time last week. My coil is currently trying to beat Twintania. I am far from hardcore and this system fits me, and many others perfectly. We are hoping to have Twintania down before 2.2, but we'll still be behind those groups that have had Twintania on farm and can get a headstart on 6-9. My biggest worry is that if the content patches are too fast, the more casual players can never catch up. Because we know CT will be casual in 2.3 based on YoshiP's latest interviews, that works perfectly for keeping this game at a 6 month cycle for raid progression.

Please look forward to it!

**Lumiin** · 03-05-2014 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Zell

What's the alternative? Make it impossible for new players (PS4/Steam) to ever catch up?

I stopped reading right there. Because apparently reading is too hard for these forums and it needs to be nerfed to make it more "casual"

You're asking the wrong person you should probably direct your questions to the OP, I don't play this game anymore because it's way to easy. So I personally don't care about the gear system right now. All I did was state how OP and others (based on talking to them) might feel. Since they really are replacing gear within 3-6 months after making it take 3-6 months to be able to get the gear in the first place. It doesn't have to be forever. (You'd know that if you actually read the post you quoted) I think OP and others like him just don't want it replaced as soon as they get it.

**Zell** · 03-05-2014 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

I stopped reading right there. Because apparently reading is too hard for these forums and it needs to be nerfed to make it more "casual"

You're asking the wrong person you should probably direct your questions to the OP, I don't play this game anymore because it's way to easy. So I personally don't care about the gear system right now. All I did was state how OP and others (based on talking to them) might feel. Since they really are replacing gear within 3-6 months after making it take 3-6 months to be able to get the gear in the first place. It doesn't have to be forever. (You'd know that if you actually read the post you quoted) I think OP and others like him just don't want it replaced as soon as they get it.

It's 6 months. Not 3 months. The distinction makes a wold of difference. If the gear becomes outdated every 3 months, I would agree that it's too fast because that doesn't give many people enough time to get the gear... but 6 months is a great compromise for hardcore and casual alike.

The reason it's 6 months is because the Cap at release was 90-95. The cap, after 6 months will be much higher. The cap will not be raised in 2.3. I think expecting your gear to remain the BEST for more than 6 months is unreasonable and reeks of elitism. But that's just me. I especially find it unreasonable given that he hasn't played the game for months and STILL expects his gear to be the best when he returns.

The 6 month cycle is a great balance. Otherwise, you make it impossible for new players to ever reach end game unless they get carried by other i90s.

**Lumiin** · 03-05-2014 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Zell

The 6 month cycle is a great balance.

But it TAKES 6 months to get it due to lockouts and token systems. Do you see the problem? So it's literally like as soon as they get it.
You say people wont be able to catch up. I don't know of any mmos that have this problem and I've played A LOT. I'm currently on Aion, it's been out for 4 years. I just started, I'm at end game, with end game pve and pvp gear.

**LunarEmerald** · 03-05-2014 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

I dont think OP is saying he wants his gear to be the best for ever, or that he wants everyone to have to struggle like he did forever. I think his problem is that they are making it useless so fast. Other mmos usually don't make it where it takes months to get the gear due to some casual token system AND THEN make it obsolete with every patch, not expansion.

It won't be BiS, but it won't be useless. As of right now, Darklight still isn't useless. Darklight can serve you well for everything but the EX primals and Turn 5. i90 gear won't be useless come patch 2.2. It will just no longer be the best.

**SirGazuntai** · 03-11-2014 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Lumiin

I dont think OP is saying he wants his gear to be the best for ever, or that he wants everyone to have to struggle like he did forever. I think his problem is that they are making it useless so fast. Other mmos usually don't make it where it takes months to get the gear due to some casual token system AND THEN make it obsolete with every patch, not expansion.

It was this.

I never wanted my gear to stay the most relevant gear forever. I left because I wanted to wait for new content so I could obtain new gear and continue to enjoy the game. I enjoy progression as much as anyone, which in my opinion is the main focus of any MMORPG.

Also, a few people brought up "play for fun".

I thought this game was incredibly fun, however doing the same content over and over for 3 months isn't fun no matter how you look at it.

Someone also mentioned that 3 months to obtain ilvl90 is casual, not hardcore. I never mentioned that I was hardcore. However, when you're locked out of content weekly it comes down to luck entirely. There's almost no way to be a hardcore player in this game other than EX Primals. I can play 24/7 but if I'm locked out I'll progress the same as people who only play on Monday's.

My issue wasn't with the fact new gear was coming. My issue was that new gear was coming so soon and this would be a repeating pattern. I'm all for new gear but if I spend 6 months repeatedly doing the same content over and over just to have it open to everyone as soon as I'm finished doing it it makes the struggle feel purposeless. I would be extremely happy if it was with each expansion, not every other update.

Again, I'm not bothered by new gear. I'm bothered by how quickly gear becomes irrelevant. I don't care about my e-peen, I'd just like to use my gear for more than a week before new gear comes. Lock-outs prevent me from obtaining it as quickly as I want.

Also, I love how people felt the need to attack me despite the fact I was being as respectful as I possibly could. Just goes to show how immature the internet is, I guess.

And yeah, I realize I just attacked people. I'm not as mature as I'd like to be, kthxbai.

Anyway, to the people who actually listened to what I said and responded in a decent manor: Thank you. I just wanted assistance on whether or not this game was for me, and I have my answer. I enjoyed my time here and I hope everyone else continues to enjoy their time, too.

Have fun attacking me again, guys. Not that I'll read it, but I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself regardless.

**horaiyo** · 03-04-2014 05:21 AM

It’s going to take longer than a couple weeks for i90 to be subpar, but I can see it becoming the norm for people/parties fairly quickly.

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