Minor tank balancing ideas. (WAR & PLD)

[Lemon8or]

What part about of our mitigation cooldowns only lasting a few seconds, while Warriors always have 3k+ more HP than Paladins, do you not understand?

Because the extra HP is already made up by 20% Damage Reduction on Shield Oath. And for a Warrior with the same gears as a Paladin to "always" have 3k+ more HP, the Paladin needs 12k+ HP so your math is fail. Thrill of Battle only lasts 20 seconds and is one of the defensive Cooldowns so it doesn't count. Shield Oath doesn't last a few seconds, just like Defiance and it's better. You are trying to make PLD looks underpowered compared to WAR when it's not.

[whiskeybravo]

What part about of our mitigation cooldowns only lasting a few seconds, while Warriors always have 3k+ more HP than Paladins, do you not understand?

It's the same... Constant 20% DR (from Shield Oath) = Warrior constant 25% more HP and 20% healing boost. Per Nate's example:

PLD
7000 HP
4800 damage (6000 attack - 20% DR)
2200 HP / 31.42% HP remains
Cure for 1000 HP
3200 HP / 45.71% HP remains

WAR
8750 HP.
6000 damage
2750 HP / 31.42% HP remains
Cure for 1200 HP (1000 cure + 20%)
3950 HP / 45.14% HP remains


Shield oath is arguably better, because damage that is mitigated does NOT need to be healed. Though Wars have higher HP pool, that damage MUST be healed back.

[Dhex]

What part about of our mitigation cooldowns only lasting a few seconds, while Warriors always have 3k+ more HP than Paladins, do you not understand?

Paladins in Shield Oath take 20% less damage innately.

Warriors have 25% more HP but take full damage.

They equalize.

6000HP PLD Shield Oath -> 5000 DMG (-20% Damage) -> 4000DMG = 2000 HP left (33.33% HP Total remaining)

6000HP WAR +25% HP -> 7500 HP -> 5000DMG = 2500 HP left (33.33% Total HP remaining)

It's called eHP.


edit: Post above mine used more detailed numbers read that one.

[Errors]

Shhh, don't bring logic to these forums. Doing math for some people is hard.

[therpgfanatic]

If they are so equal why do people prefer Warriors for Twintania?

Spreadsheet theorycrafting vs actual play.

[Errors]

If they are so equal why do people prefer Warriors for Twintania?

Spreadsheet theorycrafting vs actual play.

I'm going to assume that you are making that statement based on your personal experience for a small population of people who are vocal around you and not an actual reflection of what the entire user base is doing.

ie. I tend to see more PLD requests than WAR requests for Twin. On my server. During the evenings. When I'm in Wineport for 5 min from the shouts I see in my chat log. So, that means people prefer PLD over WAR! Actual play vs spreadsheet theorycrafting!

/cough

[whiskeybravo]

If they are so equal why do people prefer Warriors for Twintania?

Spreadsheet theorycrafting vs actual play.

Now you're just changing the discussion to one that involves the application of using other abilities. Warriors are preferred because of other abilities they bring to the table, not because Defiance>Shield Oath.

I tend to see more PLD requests than WAR requests for Twin. On my server. During the evenings. When I'm in Wineport for 5 min from the shouts I see in my chat log.

Maybe they already have a War? Like the one's that shelved it to roll PLD before 2.1 lol

[Errors]

Maybe they already have a War? Like the one's that shelved it to roll PLD before 2.1 lol

In all honesty, I don't pay attention that much to the shouts or party finder requests. I've been running content with my friends/static/freecompany mates since pretty much release. So, I tend to filter out anything that in the shout channel. Who knows maybe there are more requests for DRG to be a tank in Turn 5 I'd be pretty oblivious to that trend. XD Gogogo long stick pokey tank!

[whiskeybravo]

In all honesty, I don't pay attention that much to the shouts or party finder requests. I've been running content with my friends/static/freecompany mates since pretty much release. So, I tend to filter out anything that in the shout channel. Who knows maybe there are more requests for DRG to be a tank in Turn 5 I'd be pretty oblivious to that trend. XD Gogogo long stick pokey tank!

Well there was that 7000 HP dragoon tread a while back.. lol

[Lemon8or]

If they are so equal why do people prefer Warriors for Twintania?

Spreadsheet theorycrafting vs actual play.

lol they don't. They just run with whoever they have or request warrior cause ... wait for it ... they already have a Paladin. Hard to accept I know.