Why not unlock myth and BC now?

[Ooshima]

Not likely, as much as you like to read into it. Every single pre-90 dungeon would be fully obsoleted for all purposes except LotA. They would completely destroy all uses of WP, PS, CBHM, and HMHM -- all of them would never be run at all for any reason. AK and HM primals would be run-once for relic quests. Gearing in i90 would take a weekend, and all content in between would be rot.

Well in 3 weeks time you will know. Basically it is not unlikely. And WP, AK etc are already at "useless" stage if you'd like to call it - literally something people just run for quick myths or just for relic quest. Do people farm Primal HM for weapons these days? Nope because you have Primal EX weapons already.

Yes all these contents will be obsolete just like how Primal HM and and WP/AK are obsolete now. They will go obsolete anyways. That's how SE will make them to be. To go T6 you must pass T5, and in order to close the game to allow more players (and new players) to reach T6, SE has to pave the way.

And unlocking BC1-5 and full myth unlock, allowing you to gain full i90 will give you an easier time to clear T5 (with echo buff). Plus having i90 will be kinda the new "norm" in 2.2 - Yoshida already said T6 will be just like how we first entered T1 (when BC was just released) in DL gears.

All in all, SE wants more people to experience the new contents. To do so you need to close the gap. SE can't grant you skills so all they can help is grant you gears and "echo buff". Plus new contents will be much tougher, so entering 2.2 contents in i90 is really nothing new/surprising.

[BlueMage]

Not likely, as much as you like to read into it. Every single pre-90 dungeon would be fully obsoleted for all purposes except LotA. They would completely destroy all uses of WP, PS, CBHM, and HMHM -- all of them would never be run at all for any reason. AK and HM primals would be run-once for relic quests. Gearing in i90 would take a weekend, and all content in between would be rot.

Welcome to vertical scaling MMOs! I take it this is your first?

[Gamemako]

And WP, AK etc are already at "useless" stage if you'd like to call it - literally something people just run for quick myths or just for relic quest. Do people farm Primal HM for weapons these days? Nope because you have Primal EX weapons already.

Players are not ilvl90 in a day. You start at a point where you cannot even attempt Titan HM, let alone extremes primals and BC. People do still farm HM primals for weapons, and people still gather philo tomes for Darklight gear. The claimed 2.2 grind is vastly easier than the present grind to i70. If that went through as you envision, the amount of viable endgame content would decrease.

[Nekodar]

Well in 3 weeks time you will know. Basically it is not unlikely. And WP, AK etc are already at "useless" stage if you'd like to call it - literally something people just run for quick myths or just for relic quest. Do people farm Primal HM for weapons these days? Nope because you have Primal EX weapons already.

There are plenty of people that still haven't gotten any Primal EX weapon...

While people may not announce Primal HM farm runs much in the PF these days, they still happen.
Thornmarch in particular is fairly common as it's fairly easy and provides i75 weapons for people that want better weapon before they take on Titan HM for yet another relic quest.

Not everyone are capable of clearing the Extremes, and among those not everyone can afford to pay their way through...

While it will be easier to gear up to 90 from 2.2, most people are still going to go through gradual gear upgrades until they have one job/class equipped well enough that they can use that to farm gear for the other jobs they level.

[Hairo]

I really don't see what harm we will get by unlocking myth and BC t1-5 now.

I would support it, currently for the last few weeks all we do is log in on the start of the week and thats it.

By unlocking the two, i can help guildees/mates in readiness for 2.2; and actually do something extra rather then running around in limsa or revants toll...... (you know you do it too!)

[Ooshima]

Players are not ilvl90 in a day. You start at a point where you cannot even attempt Titan HM, let alone extremes primals and BC. People do still farm HM primals for weapons, and people still gather philo tomes for Darklight gear. The claimed 2.2 grind is vastly easier than the present grind to i70. If that went through as you envision, the amount of viable endgame content would decrease.

There are plenty of people that still haven't gotten any Primal EX weapon...

While people may not announce Primal HM farm runs much in the PF these days, they still happen.
Thornmarch in particular is fairly common as it's fairly easy and provides i75 weapons for people that want better weapon before they take on Titan HM for yet another relic quest.

Not everyone are capable of clearing the Extremes, and among those not everyone can afford to pay their way through...

While it will be easier to gear up to 90 from 2.2, most people are still going to go through gradual gear upgrades until they have one job/class equipped well enough that they can use that to farm gear for the other jobs they level.

Agree with both of you if you're referring to brand new players, as of now it's a little "no choice" but to go for gradual upgrades. But as of 2.1 it's still not too bad - with dailies, WP/AK nerfed and CT, getting to DL with a few CT pieces shouldn't be too difficult. Yeah they still need to go through gradual upgrades, but it's certainly easier.

But if you'd like to say that not everyone can clear Primal Extremes and thus don't have an i90 weapon, then I can't really see them clearing T5 either. I'm not trying to be mean, but I think you guys can agree with me that things like Titan HM/EX is really good training on dive bomb dodging. These contents, which don't have weekly lock out actually gives good training for BC.

Like I previously mentioned, SE can't provide all players with skills, but what SE can help you with to catch up is an easier gear upgrade path. New player playing FF14, but found out that the majority of the players are already beyond what you are probably going to play now? Fred not, you don't need to kill Primal EX for that i90 weapon. Just farm the easy peasy WP for 900 phil and myth and you can easily get your Relic Zennith and your myth tome pieces. Then you should be good to go to join the pack and have hands on on the latest content. That's what SE has decided to do for patch 2.2

In a sense I think it's great. Not all new players are bad players, and with people leaving or taking a break from the game, it's always a welcome to see them climb up faster and join everyone for some end game fun.

[Themis]

This is something that I think will have to happen with the release of patch 2.2. Why would anyone run an raid to get 1 piece of ilvl 80 gear per week when they can run an raid to get unlimited ilvl 90 gear per week? I mean, sure people will still need to gear up for coil, but really what percentage of the player base is that? Now, I am fine with waiting till the end of the month for the patch, however once that hits, SE basically makes CT worthless.

This is all well and fine to players who are more than willing to run content ad exhaustium for their myth gear. If you have only 1 class to gear up, it's a fair enough deal. But for those who may have 3+, farming the ~6k myth (which is a hell of a lot of runs of things) for each class is not something they want to do. CT will still offer the more casual players a means of obtaining gear for their alternative classes whilst they build up their myth gear for their main. Sure, they could also run Coil 1-5 for their Allagan i90 pieces, but the same idea applies: drops are random; it could take 1 run or it could take 10+ runs to get the 1-2 piece(s) of gear you want from any particular turn.

The fact is, there are still other options for getting gear and even more so for alternative classes. And they don't involve having to repeat the same thing until you're close to boredom. For players like myself, who enjoy playing and making slower progress (because I'm still having fun), it doesn't change anything.

What seems to be forgotten by a lot of players on these forums is that there are still new players coming into the game. There are also lots of players in the game, who have been playing since launch, who are still only just working on their first relics. Some players enjoy playing the game, and not simply burning to the top of the game. The HM primals will still be relevant next year, as will CT and Coil 1-5. It's relevant as long as their are players who take them time and work on things slower than the rest. And that's still a considerable percentage of the total playerbase.