Spoiler - Tonberries

[Auron_Wolf]

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After finish the scholar quests I was surprise to see than these guys were lalafells, so that mean the ruler class of Nym was the little fellows?

Also make me question, what are the bigger Tonberries? (stalkers I think was the name) maybe were Roegadyn slaves jeje? What do you think ?

[Bombast]

Can you please source where they said they were Lalafells?

From what I remember of the Scholar quest, they said they were people, and pointed out the city they came from. No where did they say what race they were (Unless I'm mistaken).

[JoeDono]

They only show the one Tonberry when you have the vision of him as a Lalafell Scholar. That only makes it likely that the rest of the shorter Tonberries were Lalas, but that still leaves the Tonberry Stalkers, Slashers, and the King himself, who are all much bigger.

[Enkidoh]

It should also be noted that 'the sickness from the sea' which created the tonberries was stated as affecting sailors first (hence the name), so it's likely to have affected people of all races. A tonberry's current size is not really reflective of what that person might have looked like before their illness - as the disease specifically atrophies limbs and makes them shorter. So yeah, it's pretty obvious not all tonberries were once lalafell - the only one confirmed was the one involved with the last SCH quest after all.

[WellGramarye]

Quoting myself here. Also note that lots of monsters have different size correlations. Again my theory is that Aether absorbed changes the size of the monsters. For example Roc is just a huge Bird mob like the ones about 15 feet from it, like most fate bosses is super sized.

[Andaeron]

Quoting myself here. Also note that lots of monsters have different size correlations. Again my theory is that Aether absorbed changes the size of the monsters. For example Roc is just a huge Bird mob like the ones about 15 feet from it, like most fate bosses is super sized.

Wasn't that the reason they gave when the monsters in 1.0 suddenly got huge (lore-wise, at least)? Aetheric imbalance?

[NoloeTazier]

Wasn't that the reason they gave when the monsters in 1.0 suddenly got huge (lore-wise, at least)? Aetheric imbalance?

Dalamud and the aether disruption caused monsters to grow in size (Gigantoads for example) and also caused them to rampage (the monsters invading Ul'dah).

[Andaeron]

Dalamud and the aether disruption caused monsters to grow in size (Gigantoads for example) and also caused them to rampage (the monsters invading Ul'dah).

Yeah, that's what I thought. And oh yes, I remember well the Ul'dah incursion. That's where I blacked out (ie: got d/c'ed) when Dalamud popped.

[Catapult]

It is entirely plausible that the Lalafell were the dominant race of Nym. We do not know for certainty if it is true, but that does not place it outside the realm of possibility.

Much like how the Elezen are the dominant race of secluded Ishgard, and the Dunesfolk of Ul'dah are rather proud of their heritage, different cultures cause different plays at racial dominance. (Note that I'm not seeking to cast any ethical judgement here.)

That being said, if Race size influences Tonberry size, then consider the Tonberry King. Larger than all the rest, it implies their king would have been a Roegadyn, and his personal guards of the Hyur or Elezen race. It leaves the Lalafell more in a position of the common man.

[NoloeTazier]

I don't think we can really judge boss sizes by anything and say they're canon for anything but for making targeting easier. After all look at the Hyuran Pirate in Sastasha, it's just not feasible for him to be that big..yes we have people who get abnormally tall in the real world but those people also suffer from physical problems and couldn't possibly fight a group of adventurers..anyways that weird tangent aside, it's the same thing I associate with Acheron. Yes he's huge but how much of that is actually him being that size and how much is it being a 24-man targeting issue. If Dunesfolk is to Ul'dah then Nym could easily be to Plainsfolk like you said Catapult and I think that's highly likely. Plainsfolk were farmers and would seek rich fertile land to call their own, what ground is more rich than the ground near an active volcano look at cities in Italy for example. The summoning technique of Carbuncle is also said to have came from the geometric techniques from the south...where did the Lalafell come from? Across the sea to the south. I'd say likelihood is very high.

Edit: Ul'dah and Sil'dih were both ruled by Sultan(a)s, both being Lalafell. So it's reasonable that Plainsfolk followed the Dunesfolk and had a King.