Rank cap increase every 1-2 years discussion thread

[Sol_Aureus]

It doesn't. It just ensures that newly released content doesn't go unused or obsolete right from the start.

I guess that's where we disagree. I think having more overall content is more important then ensuring that some newly released content becomes unused or obsolete from the start.

EDIT: It's more that I think having more overall content and not having all previous content and gear becoming obsolete is more important then ensuring that some newly released content becomes unused or obsolete from the start, really.

[Wolfie]

I guess that's where we disagree. I think having more overall content is more important then ensuring that some newly released content becomes unused or obsolete from the start.

EDIT: It's more that I think having more overall content and not having all previous content and gear becoming obsolete is more important then ensuring that some newly released content becomes unused or obsolete from the start, really.

More content overall in what way? Are you saying that WOW's level 60, 70, and 80 raids are not content?

[Sol_Aureus]

More content overall in what way? Are you saying that WOW's level 60, 70, and 80 raids are not content?

No, I'm not. I'm saying there's more to do overall. I never played WOW so I can't really use that as a comparison, but if they made the level 50,60, and 70 raids obsolete with the level 80 raids, I'd prefer it to be a level 50, a new level 50, a new level 50 and a new level 50. That way even the first level 50 raid was still desirable to do, because there was still gear that you wanted from it, as opposed to making that first level 50 raid completely obsolete so no one ever did it. Having 4 options for endgame content is better then having 1.

[kukurumei]

No, I'm not. I'm saying there's more to do overall. I never played WOW so I can't really use that as a comparison, but if they made the level 50,60, and 70 raids obsolete with the level 80 raids, I'd prefer it to be a level 50, a new level 50, a new level 50 and a new level 50. That way even the first level 50 raid was still desirable to do, because there was still gear that you wanted from it, as opposed to making that first level 50 raid completely obsolete so no one ever did it. Having 4 options for endgame content is better then having 1.

WoW has very little reusable content. Old dungeons are novelties no one cared for once they done it a few times unless it's endgame.

The only thing about wow, is that it was so often "rebalanced" that people made multiple toons to replace a bit of that old "non-endgame" content.

WoW is very broken in this way. Only the new shinny is ever appreciated.

[Wolfie]

No, I'm not. I'm saying there's more to do overall. I never played WOW so I can't really use that as a comparison, but if they made the level 50,60, and 70 raids obsolete with the level 80 raids, I'd prefer it to be a level 50, a new level 50, a new level 50 and a new level 50. That way even the first level 50 raid was still desirable to do, because there was still gear that you wanted from it, as opposed to making that first level 50 raid completely obsolete so no one ever did it. Having 4 options for endgame content is better then having 1.

I was using WOW as an example because it's the only MMO I've played where this level cap increase was common and frequent.

On one hand, I agree with you that making older content obsolete sucks. But on the other hand, I think it's much, much more important for new content to not risk being unused right away. That's a waste of developer time and money, and brings nothing of value to the game. Repeating old content gets boring fast for a lot of people. Level cap increases are a way to equalize the play field for everyone and to keep things feeling fresh.

[_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_]

No, but if you look deep in her eyes, she'll put you in trances.

And then what will she do?

No, I'm not. I'm saying there's more to do overall. I never played WOW so I can't really use that as a comparison, but if they made the level 50,60, and 70 raids obsolete with the level 80 raids, I'd prefer it to be a level 50, a new level 50, a new level 50 and a new level 50. That way even the first level 50 raid was still desirable to do, because there was still gear that you wanted from it, as opposed to making that first level 50 raid completely obsolete so no one ever did it. Having 4 options for endgame content is better then having 1.

QFT. A friend and I occasionally debate returning to FFXI, but it usually ends in "But what's the [redacted] point? All the old content is obsolete, so really you're just going to play Abyssea."

WoW has very little reusable content. Old dungeons are novelties no one cared for once they done it a few times unless it's endgame.

The only thing about wow, is that it was so often "rebalanced" that people made multiple toons to replace a bit of that old "non-endgame" content.

WoW is very broken in this way. Only the new shinny is ever appreciated.

Maybe if the old shinny was a crafting material for new shinny? Like how FFXI had the AF+1 thing going on with Limbus, so you can scale it right up.

But yeah, Asheron's Call did this before WoW did. If you ever wanted to get into AC, just get the core game and the most recent expansion, everything else is obsolete.

[Xenor]

No, I'm not. I'm saying there's more to do overall. I never played WOW so I can't really use that as a comparison, but if they made the level 50,60, and 70 raids obsolete with the level 80 raids, I'd prefer it to be a level 50, a new level 50, a new level 50 and a new level 50. That way even the first level 50 raid was still desirable to do, because there was still gear that you wanted from it, as opposed to making that first level 50 raid completely obsolete so no one ever did it. Having 4 options for endgame content is better then having 1.

Having four options is nice, but I don't want to be doing the same raid five years later any more than I'd want to do a rank 50 raid when I'm 80. Doing Dynamis every week for a year and a half before I quit was too much, I feel sorry for those who kept at it for years more. When content doesn't become obsolete the developers can be lazier and not add as much new stuff.

[kukurumei]

Having four options is nice, but I don't want to be doing the same raid five years later any more than I'd want to do a rank 50 raid when I'm 80. Doing Dynamis every week for a year and a half before I quit was too much, I feel sorry for those who kept at it for years more. When content doesn't become obsolete the developers can be lazier and not add as much new stuff.

That's debatable. Since developers are only as lazy as they get subscriber base. The fact you did dynamis for so long allows them to be lazy or lower staffed.

There'd always a balance. If you wanted a new shinny and they didn't have enough time to do give you a new shiny, would it have been any different? You still would have quit. Content, good content, doesn't magically appear.

Unless you play Guildwars where the whole point of is content...for you money...literally.