Rank cap increase every 1-2 years discussion thread

[Kam]

And with AV not being a 100% pop, and nobody figuring out how to kill him, and taking a month to gather up all the required pop items. Getting Sea and COP Dynamis access was the easy part.

Well, to bring up other issues with sea, and from a mage point of view. Those fecking capes never dropped... and if they did. It was at the cost of a pop item. Novio from JoL being a bit of a carrot on a stick for mages..

Though still. Point was if AV was made a "killable mob", by the masses, back in the day. etc etc. Its just another point of bad planning/design I guess.

[Sorel]

I think (i.e. in my opinion) what FFXI did with the Warlock Armor, Duelist Armor, Warlock Armor +1, Duelist Armor +1 is an example of how to do high-level gear progression properly.

Have both sidegrades (Warlock, Duelist) that are equally powerful, but in different ways. But also have upgrades to those sidegrades (Warlock, Warlock+1) that require the original pieces. That way, a player's effort and time in getting the original pieces are not wasted when the new gear becomes accessible. They become an investment.

Just my opinion.

[Wolfie]

That's what I was arguing though. If they sit at the cap and all new gear comes out as sidegrades or minor upgrades, they run the risk of people not caring about new content because it's not worth the effort. It's a lot harder to come up with good designs for new content that both doesn't obsolete old content AND doesn't come out obsolete itself.

[Sol_Aureus]

That's what I was arguing though. If they sit at the cap and all new gear comes out as sidegrades or minor upgrades, they run the risk of people not caring about new content because it's not worth the effort. It's a lot harder to come up with good designs for new content that both doesn't obsolete old content AND doesn't come out obsolete itself.

But FFXI still managed to. When new content came out, there was always something that people wanted from the new content. Hydra wasn't camped that much, but I assume the other 2 were (I never did HNMs, so I could be completely wrong).

While they definitely run the risk of people not caring about new content if they don't raise the level cap and keep everything sidegrades, they guarantee that people will not care about the old content anymore if they do continuously raise the level cap.

[Wolfie]

But FFXI still managed to. When new content came out, there was always something that people wanted from the new content. Hydra wasn't camped that much, but I assume the other 2 were (I never did HNMs, so I could be completely wrong).

While they definitely run the risk of people not caring about new content if they don't raise the level cap and keep everything sidegrades, they guarantee that people will not care about the old content anymore if they do continuously raise the level cap.

... no it didn't. There was plenty of FFXI content that went unused or become obsolete on release because the effort wasn't worth the reward.

[Sol_Aureus]

... no it didn't. There was plenty of FFXI content that went unused or become obsolete on release because the effort wasn't worth the reward.

Personally, I don't ever recall there being a content patch in FFXI that didn't have SOMETHING that I wanted to do in it. But in any case, we're arguing opinions.

My counter to your counter:
How does raising level cap give us more content overall?

While the newer content will most likely not be obsolete on release as everything is a higher level, all the old content is now obsolete.

[Wolfie]

Personally, I don't ever recall there being a content patch in FFXI that didn't have SOMETHING that I wanted to do in it. But in any case, we're arguing opinions.

My counter to your counter:
How does raising level cap give us more content overall?

While the newer content will most likely not be obsolete on release as everything is a higher level, all the old content is now obsolete.

It doesn't. It just ensures that newly released content doesn't go unused or obsolete right from the start.

[Kam]

Back on topic I guess! Its catch 22.

If SE can do the cap increase right, (with yoishi being a hardcore EQ player and talking about his fustrations with that game briefly in his last forum reply) Its a good reminder this game is being built *generally speaking* in the right hands.... >.>

*dont shoot me yoishi haters*

[AuctionGirl]

I disagree with the OP. I played FFXI for years myself and I hated the fact that you were stuck @ 75, no progression, no new armors/weapons to strive for, nothing. I quit multiple times and restarted only because that was more fun than progressing to nowhere.

In my opinion, every 6 months, a cap raise of 5 ranks should happen. Every 6 months, minimum of 2 dungeons for that new Rank would be required to be added to the game. Also, new weapons and armor for those 5 ranks, along with new recipes, items and more. This prevents the game from becoming STALE or STAGNANT. You will always have something new to do, and new content is fun and in your opinion might negate the previous content.

You need to think about the future of the company, and if there is never a FIXED CAP, then the game can ALWAYS GROW. FFXI made a poor decision in staying at 75 forever. Abysmal ruined FFXI in the fact that they stuck at 75 for 7+ years before raising the cap, and removed YEARS of content... not 6 months of content.

When doing my 6 month plan, the dungeons should have a RANK cap of that level appropriate area. This keeps existing dungeons playable. Also in this plan, they can change/modify drops/mobs etc inside those dungeons and make them different and re-playable again at any ranks. Maybe even make it drop parts for the new higher ranked weapons/armor.

FFXI started dying once everyone did the same content 100 times over. Only the truly hard core, or the super casual ended up staying awhile. Everyone in the middle lost interest.

I'm sorry if I keep rambling on, and I hope Yoshi reads this and is in agreement with my thoughts, I have said this before months ago, and hope it makes sense, for both players and for the company.