Bonus stats are pointless

[Ticklefairy]

Why do I need to choose between being able to play SCH or SMN effectively if I don't have to choose between WHM and BLM?

It's freaking ludicrous. And before you cite that it makes "thematical sense" because your class is choosing a specialization, we can still switch between the jobs at will and play them so that won't fly. The issue is only about the numbers. 15 MND or 15 INT is a lot. If I want to do endgame content on my SCH or SMN I either have to

A. Be not as effective in my role
B. Choose one (which goes against the entire point of the Armory System and the ability to do everything on one character)
C. Farm 10k seals so I can respec any time I want to do endgame as the other job.

AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THIS, the stat choices are braindead. Unless someone's being cute you're going to put 30 into your main stat. Done and done.

Please take it out SE. It's only going to get worse when more classes have 2 jobs.

[Mcshiggs]

A. Be not as effective in my role
B. Choose one (which goes against the entire point of the Armory System and the ability to do everything on one character)
C. Farm 10k seals so I can respec any time I want to do endgame as the other job.

How is being able to play both going against being able to do everything on one character, please show me where the explanation of the armory system says you can do any job with max stats at anytime, a summoner with 15 less int is still a summoner, it's still letting you play that job, and you know you can farm seals to reset your points, so basically you just want everything handed to you without having to put in a little time.

[Ticklefairy]

How is being able to play both going against being able to do everything on one character, please show me where the explanation of the armory system says you can do any job with max stats at anytime, a summoner with 15 less int is still a summoner, it's still letting you play that job, and you know you can farm seals to reset your points, so basically you just want everything handed to you without having to put in a little time.

First off, farming 10k GC seals is not "putting in a little time". That takes a long time.

Second, this idea that I can't play a class to its fullest LITERALLY only applies to SCH/SMN. I don't have to choose between SCH or BLM, WHM or PLD, BRD or MNK. I can play all of those classes at the same time to their fullest ability for all content in the game...which I do.

[Mcshiggs]

First off, farming 10k GC seals is not "putting in a little time". That takes a long time.

Second, this idea that I can't play a class to its fullest LITERALLY only applies to SCH/SMN. I don't have to choose between SCH or BLM, WHM or PLD, BRD or MNK. I can play all of those classes at the same time to their fullest ability for all content in the game...which I do.

.It only applies to them for now, when they release more jobs, it will hit every class, and 10k tomes is easy, so let me educate you real quick, do you daily duty roulettes, there's a couple thousand right there, do a few hq supply and provisioning turn ins, each company only wants certain things, so spend two hours gathering, you are set for the week, maybe 2, do GC leves, do some fates, I can get 10 seals in a few hours, now if 3-4 hours per week is too much for you, then that's just you not willing to put in yes a LITTLE time to reset your points, and I didn't say that I play a summoner with 15 less int, I said if you have 15 less int, you are still playing the summoner, if you can't play it with 15 less int, then that is in your head, and nothing on these forums will be able to help you with that. You also say SCH, BLM, WHM, BLD, BRD, and MNK are classes, those are jobs, so maybe that is where your disconnect is, the attribute points are tied to the class, arcanist, not the job, scholar and summoner, and you do get bonus points for the jobs, look at your stats before and after you equip your job stone, so the ones you set are extra, so do us all a favor, either learn to farm seals or be content with being a non min/max summoner/scholar.

[Ticklefairy]

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I understand the difference between class and job. If I use the words interchangeably, though it's erroneous, because it's a habit from other games and because the classes don't freaking matter unless you're doing something nifty like MRD dps so when someone said "class" i immediately think "job" anyway. I have no disconnect on the concept of Bonus stats. Also don't say "let me educate you". Your tone is completely condescending and that's unnecessary.

You're citing ways for me to get 10k tomes in a week. I'm not saying that changing from one job to the other for a longer period of time is hard...I'm saying that if a group in PF wants a SCH and I'm SMN specced I have to go spend 10k. I finish that group and another group wants me back on SMN. What do I do? Spend 10k more seals. I cannot freely change between the two jobs. But I CAN change to WHM or MNK or DRG or ANY OF THE OTHER JOBS absolutely freely.