Bonus stats are pointless

[Edellis]

I don't think you can name a single MMO that gives you free stat allocation that isn't pointless. Usually the "customization" is worth nothing more than wasted efficiency.

Even if they gave you 5 points per level, no configuration of those would be better than all stacked in one key stat.

[dspguy]

I think when they add more jobs that are based off the "base classes" then these bonus points will have more meaning. I'm not really sure how they'd pull it off, but if you suddenly had some sort of mage-type job that was based on gladiator, things wouldn't be so cookie cutter like they are now.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I think when they add more jobs that are based off the "base classes" then these bonus points will have more meaning. I'm not really sure how they'd pull it off, but if you suddenly had some sort of mage-type job that was based on gladiator, things wouldn't be so cookie cutter like they are now.

Even a Str based melee dps Job for Gladiator would change things up from Vit only to 30 Vit if you only run PLD/15/15 if you run both regularly/30 Str if you do melee dps only.

[Ticklefairy]

Why do I need to choose between being able to play SCH or SMN effectively if I don't have to choose between WHM and BLM?

It's freaking ludicrous. And before you cite that it makes "thematical sense" because your class is choosing a specialization, we can still switch between the jobs at will and play them so that won't fly. The issue is only about the numbers. 15 MND or 15 INT is a lot. If I want to do endgame content on my SCH or SMN I either have to

A. Be not as effective in my role
B. Choose one (which goes against the entire point of the Armory System and the ability to do everything on one character)
C. Farm 10k seals so I can respec any time I want to do endgame as the other job.

AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THIS, the stat choices are braindead. Unless someone's being cute you're going to put 30 into your main stat. Done and done.

Please take it out SE. It's only going to get worse when more classes have 2 jobs.

[Mcshiggs]

A. Be not as effective in my role
B. Choose one (which goes against the entire point of the Armory System and the ability to do everything on one character)
C. Farm 10k seals so I can respec any time I want to do endgame as the other job.

How is being able to play both going against being able to do everything on one character, please show me where the explanation of the armory system says you can do any job with max stats at anytime, a summoner with 15 less int is still a summoner, it's still letting you play that job, and you know you can farm seals to reset your points, so basically you just want everything handed to you without having to put in a little time.

[Aura_Shurifon]

If they wanted the armory system to be "you can do any jobs, any time" they would have linked all level, like invoke/scholar (leveling one levels the other). So I agree with Mcshiggs, you can do anything, but you're not "BiS" for everything at anytime, and that's ok.

It's already there, why can't I be i90 with my BLM when i'm i90 with my WHM ? Because I need to farm equipment... It's the same with "farm 10k seals, and swap your stat !" and it's easier !

Though, I would like to be able to sell the Keeper's Hymn for gil, because crafting daily gives a lot of seals ^^

[Ticklefairy]

How is being able to play both going against being able to do everything on one character, please show me where the explanation of the armory system says you can do any job with max stats at anytime, a summoner with 15 less int is still a summoner, it's still letting you play that job, and you know you can farm seals to reset your points, so basically you just want everything handed to you without having to put in a little time.

First off, farming 10k GC seals is not "putting in a little time". That takes a long time.

Second, this idea that I can't play a class to its fullest LITERALLY only applies to SCH/SMN. I don't have to choose between SCH or BLM, WHM or PLD, BRD or MNK. I can play all of those classes at the same time to their fullest ability for all content in the game...which I do.

[Ticklefairy]

The purpose of the Armory System, and the main advantage FFXIV has over other games, is that you only need to make ONE CHARACTER and you can do anything and everything on that one character. Want to be every crafting class? Sure, no problems. Every gatherer too? Sure no problems. Every job? Yes, except SCH/SMN you have to choose.

DL chest/leg gear has primary stat values of 20
CT chest/leg gear has values of 25
DL head/hands/feet has primary stat values of 12
CT? 15

15 INT is like upgrading your chest,legs,head, and hands/feet in terms of improving your main job be it dps/healing/tanking

That is huge.

And before anyone cites "lol CT gear is endgame?" This showing the i70 to i80 jump. The principle is the same from i80 to i90. WHERE EVER your gear is at the moment, 15 more in your primary stat is just going to make your numbers flat out better. End of story. People gorge themselves on food that gives less stats than that for an advantage.

[Ticklefairy]

And here's an even MORE important question: If you don't care about being able to play all jobs to their fullest because you don't see the issue with 15 primary stat (Which it is absolutely an issue and does gimp your performance) then why are you defending the bonus stats anyway? What benefit do you get out of them? Because if you think for one second you're customizing your character you're mistaken. Anyone who puts stats elsewhere is just being cute. If you want extra VIT then meld crafted rings or get some tank rings from tomes/drops. It's less permanent and time consuming than farming 10k seals every time there's ONE FIGHT where you need extra health.

[Alkimi]

A better idea would have been for the points to be allocated to off stats, so determination, crit rate, skill/spell speed, parry and possibly Piety aswell. At least this way there would be genuine choice for most jobs rather than everyone picking the same one. Taking BLM as an example, any of Determination, Spell Speed or Crit Rate are viable as a choice.