Rant,Rambling and Drivel: Is it Fun Yet?!

[TheUltimate3]

Yup, discard all of OP's arguments by playing the subjectivity card. By all means, keep fooling yourselves.

No open world content, no feeling of accomplishment, no challenge, no diversity, no sense of community. All key elements of an MMORPG, whereas this is a game where platform players would have an easier time than RPG players.

I wasn't throwing out is argument. I was asking for suggestions. I didn't see any suggestions in his rant. It was just a rant. Suggestions are nice.

(And I I completed my first relic yesterday, and I feel quite pleased with myself. Is that not a sense of accomplishment?)

[Tupsi]

(And I I completed my first relic yesterday, and I feel quite pleased with myself. Is that not a sense of accomplishment?)

Sure, I did a few relics back to back recently... when before Relics were an actual achievement and long time goal and were actually worth more than just being a higher stat weapon, which mind you, has artificial barriers to fully upgrade (myth cap) for now. You know what else sucked?

Having my Relic Weapon go from this:



to this:



Basically taking out the point of doing the relic in the first place. Now, if they weren't required to get into Coil (activate it in general) and SE actually allowed you to craft alternative weapons or boosted (and readded) the Skirmish Weapons alongside the Titan weapon, you really would have no reason to get it unless you got the +1(Zenith), and even more so you can completely by pass it with the Primal Ex weapons in concept.

[TheUltimate3]

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I...I'm not sure I'm following. I assume the first image was from 1.0 and the second is from 2.0? If so, while I'm sure your sense of accomplishment was diminished (as you said), I felt very proud of myself for getting my first. My goal when I started was to have the entire white mage set and as of yesterday, that goal was completed. And I am happy. I feel I accomplished something. Maybe you don't, and maybe my goals are low (which I'm sure you are thinking) but I felt like I accomplished something.

Sooo /shrug different people feel they accomplish different things?

[Tupsi]

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It actually strengthens the argument that this game basically hands things out to you, which is why anything can be an accomplishment by definition, but this game is just so...basic that it doesn't really feel like an MMORPG. Different strokes/folks and all that, but the first image is from 1.23, the version everyone thought they were getting with 2.0 only better but instead it everything was just..thrown out essentially.

I don't personally feel my accomplishment was cheapened, as it's just a video game - however it just feels odd that what used to actual goals are no more than a higher stat weapon when if you look at any other FF game (including XI), weren't ultimate and relic weapons usually obtained after a long series of (Usually) challenging quests or sometimes tough side bosses? In ARR the only difficult part of relic is the people you play with.

So when someone brings up the relics in this game or a counter to 'challenge' and whatnot, this version really did tone down almost everything to the point even the F2P MMOs from Korea sports more challenge and long term goals...and even better itemization.

[TeaTimeBear]

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Wow that attack power is nuts, song lasts longer, -enemity too? Uh.. Why change that..?

[Aethaeryn]

Wow that attack power is nuts, song lasts longer, -enemity too? Uh.. Why change that..?

It's easier to balance the way it is now. Not saying I agree with the decision, but that's pretty much what it boils down to in the long run. Hopefully they'll add some more flavor to equipment down the road. Some kind of talent tree would be nice too for character build variety (or at least the illusion of variety). If they're going to steal things from all the other big games out there, there's no reason to leave that out.

[Zezlar]

I wasn't throwing out is argument. I was asking for suggestions. I didn't see any suggestions in his rant. It was just a rant. Suggestions are nice.

(And I I completed my first relic yesterday, and I feel quite pleased with myself. Is that not a sense of accomplishment?)

It may be to someone who is newer, but the people in 1.0 realize how laughable the "relic quest" is now. Yoshi-P said it would be more enjoyable, and just like most of his statements these days it was a lie.

[Musashidon]

It may be to someone who is newer, but the people in 1.0 realize how laughable the "relic quest" is now. Yoshi-P said it would be more enjoyable, and just like most of his statements these days it was a lie.

that is opinionated. i found it quite enjoyable and from what i heard about 1.0 (cause i never played it) i would have hated that time sink.

in the end the argument is over which time sink is better a time sink that is limited so you have to play for so long to get the stuff even if it's not that long every week or a time sink where you have unlimited chances to do it but with a low drop rate and other things it just takes a long time.

either way it's still easy just people prefer one over the other, but it doesn't make either easier or harder then the other.

[Tupsi]

that is opinionated. i found it quite enjoyable and from what i heard about 1.0 (cause i never played it) i would have hated that time sink.

Comparing both versions - ARR is actually more of a time sink. The 1.2x version was more along the lines of taking you through each content and it had "Added" objectives to curve the fact they were producing 2.0/ARR at the same time.

The best part is, it actually utilized content you were already doing without necessarily being on the Relic Quest, so in some cases, you were killing 3 birds with 1 stone. Not to mention, when you completed 1 relic you didn't have to repeat each and every step, you skipped a few steps for every relic after the first - in ARR you have to repeat each and every step, which is more of a time sink in the long run.