Translations (JP to English)

[Chardrizard]

I remember people said the same thing about Salvage duping exploit. "It was a developers mistake and I'm just using it, I can't be banned."

Sorry kid, if they want to ban for it they easily could as it does benefit you for exploiting a flawed trigger, but Yoshida said they would't, not they couldn't or shouldn't ban for it.

Except this isn't an explot, it's a flawed design.

[Elexia]

Except this isn't an explot, it's a flawed design.

You do know an exploit means using a flaw in design to benefit..right? Salvage exploit was using a flaw in how it calculated drops for parties in that raid which caused it to duplicate gear, here's burning it down so fast causes garuda to not use HP checks for phases.

They're the same thing, when the developer states you can basically get around something due to x, it's called an exploit if you use it, since it's not a mere case of her unable to trigger it due to dying so fast, it's because by design she can't, aka flaw, aka anyone who does this is now exploiting a flaw.

[AdvancedWind]

You do know an exploit means using a flaw in design to benefit..right? Salvage exploit was using a flaw in how it calculated drops for parties in that raid which caused it to duplicate gear, here's burning it down so fast causes garuda to not use HP checks for phases.

They're the same thing, when the developer states you can basically get around something due to x, it's called an exploit if you use it, since it's not a mere case of her unable to trigger it due to dying so fast, it's because by design she can't, aka flaw, aka anyone who does this is now exploiting a flaw.

So, those players should either gimp their BLMs or go as a different job or else they're "exploiting a flaw" because they're too strong?

[DarthTaru]

I can't believe I'm actually reading a thread calling for my friends and I to be banned. lol.
Just a little ridiculous. This is nothing remotely similar to the Salvage Exploit and isn't cheating in any way, shape or form.
It was simply applying what we learned during our many Garuda fights, combined with a strategy we've used with another NM in the past (staggering DMG and fully unleashing at the right moment)

And while I'm flattered our video is giving Yoshi P a new headache (sorry, Yoshi! <3 <3), I don't even know why this should be considered a design flaw. As Yoshi said himself, without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated. While we half expected this to result in a patch, I believe it's similar to making Kirin near impervious to physical damage after the first Kirin zerg, essentially punishing Linkshells for having too strong front line DPS in favor of a 2+ hour kite strategy utilized by linkshells just beginning their adventures in Sky.

[BlackomegaKingofwaffles]

I can't believe I'm actually reading a thread calling for my friends and I to be banned. lol.
Just a little ridiculous. This is nothing remotely similar to the Salvage Exploit and isn't cheating in any way, shape or form.
It was simply applying what we learned during our many Garuda fights, combined with a strategy we've used with another NM in the past (staggering DMG and fully unleashing at the right moment)

And while I'm flattered our video is giving Yoshi P a new headache (sorry, Yoshi! <3 <3), I don't even know why this should be considered a design flaw. As Yoshi said himself, without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated. While we half expected this to result in a patch, I believe it's similar to making Kirin near impervious to physical damage after the first Kirin zerg, essentially punishing Linkshells for having too strong front line DPS in favor of a 2+ hour kite strategy utilized by linkshells just beginning their adventures in Sky.

Welcome to the official forums where hate and ignorance are as abundant as potatoes in Idaho.

[Kumaeru]

All I can say is... viral video... *high five!*

[DoctorMog]

I can't believe I'm actually reading a thread calling for my friends and I to be banned. lol.
Just a little ridiculous. This is nothing remotely similar to the Salvage Exploit and isn't cheating in any way, shape or form.
It was simply applying what we learned during our many Garuda fights, combined with a strategy we've used with another NM in the past (staggering DMG and fully unleashing at the right moment)

And while I'm flattered our video is giving Yoshi P a new headache (sorry, Yoshi! <3 <3), I don't even know why this should be considered a design flaw. As Yoshi said himself, without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated. While we half expected this to result in a patch, I believe it's similar to making Kirin near impervious to physical damage after the first Kirin zerg, essentially punishing Linkshells for having too strong front line DPS in favor of a 2+ hour kite strategy utilized by linkshells just beginning their adventures in Sky.

I can't speak for everyone, but we duplicated it on our second attempt.

It's nothing special.

[Swindler]

I can't speak for everyone, but we duplicated it on our second attempt.

It's nothing special.

without proper timing and the right players this isn't something that will be easily duplicated.

I think it is safe to assume you have the right players and proper timing to beat it this way?

No one said it was special; just a more efficient strategy.

All in all, the prestigious Dr. Mog group duplicating a strat we planned and executed in about an hour makes me feel all giddy inside.(/sarcasm off)