Translations (JP to English)

[Sephrick]

Just because each discipline can't participate in the exact same content (since having a gathering class try to complete battle content is stupid) doesn't mean that DoL or DoH can't enjoy the game just as much. There will be stuff for everyone.

Depends on your definition of fun, really. Be the battle class exclusivity already is showing. Chocobos only can be obtained as a battle class.

I'm not saying I understand the mentality of wanting to be only DoH or DoL, I'm just saying I can sympathize. They bought a product as it was advertised and it no longer fulfills that roll. Yoshida just officially retracted that statement so that means those people no longer get to play the game they bought.

[Reinheart]

Depends on your definition of fun, really. Be the battle class exclusivity already is showing. Chocobos only can be obtained as a battle class.

I'm not saying I understand the mentality of wanting to be only DoH or DoL, I'm just saying I can sympathize. They bought a product as it was advertised and it no longer fulfills that roll. Yoshida just officially retracted that statement so that means those people no longer get to play the game they bought.

Really this should be a new thread... lol but anyways...

you're right like I said before on this thread before YoshiP's post I started this game since it was announced you can play the game not being a battle class, for me that reminded me of when SE made Romancing Saga 3 where one character your roll was to play the stock market and they had a whole different system up till certain point of the game story so when I heard about this for FF14, I was like COOL I'll play miner...

But since then the gatherers mini-game was boring so I quit that but still was hoping there is a chance that this will be fixed later on but today with YoshiP's post it confirmed it's not possible to pursue the main story or have a story of its own being a miner. That's alright for me cuz I got level 50 Puglist and I knew it was probably going to end up this way in the long run being a MMORPG. At least for me I can understand what YoshiP is saying, it's really hard to make a story line possible for everyone in a MMORPG, specially if the game started off all screwed up like FFXIV did lol.

At least YoshiP is still trying to keep the game so gatherers/crafters can be played and they will try their best to make fun contents for them but as for the main story goes, it's goodbye... hey at least gatherer/crafters might have cool side-quests which is related to the main story and you have to be those classes to see that side of the story... to me that cool/good enough.

Now those few people/trolls on the JP thread saying you're going against what's on the package is just ridiculous lol, YoshiP apologized and took back the old teams statement and if the those gatherer only players still can't get it, they should really stop playing FFXIV imo.

[Fayette]

Really this should be a new thread..

Done YoshiP DoL/DoH translated post

[Quanta]

Now those few people/trolls on the JP thread saying you're going against what's on the package is just ridiculous lol, YoshiP apologized and took back the old teams statement and if the those gatherer only players still can't get it, they should really stop playing FFXIV imo.

Either those people are idiots, or they're new to the series. The entire history of the franchise is centred around the idea of a ragtag group of heroes/adventurers fighting to save the world from a great evil. At no point in the equation did you ever find them sitting down and having to craft ingots for 4 hours just to make themselves the equipment they'd need to proceed. Anybody who's familiar with Final Fantasy should have seen this coming from a mile away.

[Sephrick]

Either those people are idiots, or they're new to the series. The entire history of the franchise is centred around the idea of a ragtag group of heroes/adventurers fighting to save the world from a great evil. At no point in the equation did you ever find them sitting down and having to craft ingots for 4 hours just to make themselves the equipment they'd need to proceed. Anybody who's familiar with Final Fantasy should have seen this coming from a mile away.

Ever play XI?

[Inaaca]

Either those people are idiots, or they're new to the series. The entire history of the franchise is centred around the idea of a ragtag group of heroes/adventurers fighting to save the world from a great evil. At no point in the equation did you ever find them sitting down and having to craft ingots for 4 hours just to make themselves the equipment they'd need to proceed. Anybody who's familiar with Final Fantasy should have seen this coming from a mile away.

To be fair.. You're comparing an RPG to an MMORPG... It doesn't equate to quite the same thing. Rules change when the MMO element is added into the mix.

[Quanta]

To be fair.. You're comparing an RPG to an MMORPG... It doesn't equate to quite the same thing. Rules change when the MMO element is added into the mix.

Not really. At the end of the day, MMOs have their roots in MUDs, which have their roots in tabletop gaming, particularly Dungeons & Dragons. As far as I'm aware, career crafting has never been a thing in D&D, and I doubt that the blacksmith with no combat experience is going to be able to help in the Tomb of Horrors while everyone around him dies in the most horrific fashion imaginable.

I mean, you can certainly have small modules that focus on the life of a blacksmith or whatever (which is where things are headed), but you're stretching things just a tad when you put it into their heads that, yes, they can also defeat the Death Demon From Beyond The Dark Crystal Dimension that becomes the centre of the game's story by debating the rising costs of iron ore with it. The very concept is completely untenable in a fantasy game of magic and monsters.

[Betelgeuzah]

Not really. At the end of the day, MMOs have their roots in MUDs, which have their roots in tabletop gaming, particularly Dungeons & Dragons.

Not really. At the end of the day, Dungeons & Dragons have their roots in ancient mythology.

As far as I'm aware, there were no Paladins in Mein Kampf.

[Felis]

Depends on your definition of fun, really. Be the battle class exclusivity already is showing. Chocobos only can be obtained as a battle class.

Only the chocobos from the grand companies. But chocobo raising is coming later... with 2.0