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    Rep response - 04/16/12

    Two minor posts first.
    1. http://goo.gl/Xf0qZ - Foxclon stating his time (1minute shorter than YoshiP's) but saying the staff's time wont be counted so don't worry and also to make sure to check the thread first to make sure there isn't anyone with same time as you previously since one time can only be posted once.
    2. http://goo.gl/WQTaA - This one the thread just asks for the forum profile to show the job and be able to choose class or job from settings since we only have class at the moment. Triairy replying saying that's a good idea and will check if it can be included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    to make sure to check the thread first to make sure there isn't anyone with same time as you previously since one time can only be posted once.
    As Bay said, 1200 entries in 6 hours. They're kidding themselves if they think we can all make sure nobody else has posted a specific time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyyx View Post
    As Bay said, 1200 entries in 6 hours. They're kidding themselves if they think we can all make sure nobody else has posted a specific time.
     yeah I posted mine and didn't bother checking if someone posted before me lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
     yeah I posted mine and didn't bother checking if someone posted before me lol
    i had not that problem lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    Two minor posts first.

    1. http://goo.gl/Xf0qZ - Foxclon stating his time (1minute shorter than YoshiP's) but saying the staff's time wont be counted so don't worry and also to make sure to check the thread first to make sure there isn't anyone with same time as you previously since one time can only be posted once.
    2. http://goo.gl/WQTaA - This one the thread just asks for the forum profile to show the job and be able to choose class or job from settings since we only have class at the moment. Triairy replying saying that's a good idea and will check if it can be included.
    really they want us to go through over 150 pages of posts to make sure your time guess wasn't used already?
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    Rep Response - 04/16/12 Regarding Manathirst materia's MP value beiung too low

    There is a thread talking about materia's on JP side and they talk about how some materias should be melded onto other parts of the gear or how elemental, stat resistant materia's are crap. Anyways Triairy responded regarding the Manathirst (MP+ materia).

    Quote Originally Posted by Triairy View Post
    こんばんは。
    Good evening,

    智者のマテリアの効果が低いというフィードバックを頂いていますが、自然回復 するMP量は最大で自身のMPMAXの7.5%になっており、これに智者のマテリアの効果でMPMAX+100が付いている場合、さらに3秒につきMP7 の回復量上昇が得られることになります。そのため、智者のマテリアの数値は現状では適切な数値だと考えています。
    We received feedback saying the Manathirst materia's effect is low but with auto heal the maximum it will heal will be 7.5% of own MAX MP. So if you have MP Max+100 with materia's that means you will gain 7MP more every 3 seconds. For that reason we believe the Manathirst materia's value is optimal.


    ただし、今後のフィードバックや他のマテリアとのバランス調整次第では性能の見直しを行う可能性もありますので、引き続きフィードバックを頂ければと思います。
    However, with feedbacks depending on balance with other materia's it may be possible it may be changed so please continue to leave feedbacks
    wiwi posted on that thread right after saying
    Quote Originally Posted by wiwi View Post
    ファイアの消費が294(LV50)なので、智者の効果でMPが100増えれば126秒=つまり2分休憩すれば一発ファイア分お得になる計算ですね。
    Fire MP cost at Lv50 is 294 so with Manathirst effect getting 100 MP will mean 126 seconds = so with that calculation you rest 2 minutes you get to cast 1 free Fire spell.

    むむう・・・適切・・・?
    hmmm....optimal...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    There is a thread talking about materia's on JP side and they talk about how some materias should be melded onto other parts of the gear or how elemental, stat resistant materia's are crap. Anyways Triairy responded regarding the Manathirst (MP+ materia).



    wiwi posted on that thread right after saying
    I think wiwi misunderstood what Triairy explained... Per your translation he states at max mp + 100 you get 7 MP more** every three seconds. The 7MP, is in addition to what you gain every 3 seconds. For example, my max MP on WHM is 3400+, 7.5% of that is roughly 255MP, with max manathirst and the max heal tick every three seconds, I heal 262MP. In ten senconds of healing I can cast two fire spells, just ten seconds.
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    Last edited by Holland; 04-17-2012 at 01:16 AM.

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    Thanks for the 5 ifrits canes Yoshi i can build a life raft and use them to float to another mmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holland View Post
    I think wiwi misunderstood what Triairy explained... Per your translation he states at max mp + 100 you get 7 MP more** every three seconds. The 7MP, is in addition to what you gain every 3 seconds. For example if you gain 45 mp every three seconds on the first tick, now you gain 52 mp every three seconds (This is just numbers thrown out there).
    I think he's just going by the 7MP part - 3 seconds every minutes = 20 times per minutes
    20 x 7 = 140MP/minute with 100MP+ materia effect part only
    so 2 min = 140x2 = 280MP for 2 Minute giving almost 1 free Fire spell

    But yeah if you go with the 45 MP with +7 MP that does change a bit overall I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinheart View Post
    I think he's just going by the 7MP part - 3 seconds every minutes = 20 times per minutes
    20 x 7 = 140MP/minute with 100MP+ materia effect part only
    so 2 min = 140x2 = 280MP for 2 Minute giving almost 1 free Fire spell

    But yeah if you go with the 45 MP with +7 MP that does change a bit overall I guess.
    From the translation, yeah, it seems he just calculated the 7 MP/tick, Wich should not be the case. You would need to calculate the whole healing effect.

    Edit: I edited my post with real numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikozaemon View Post
    Thanks for the 5 ifrits canes Yoshi i can build a life raft and use them to float to another mmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holland View Post
    From the translation, yeah, it seems he just calculated the 7 MP/tick, Wich should not be the case. You would need to calculate the whole healing effect.

    Edit: I edited my post with real numbers.
    if you tripple meld manathirst to 5 pieces of gear for a total of +500mp thats +35mp/tic from manathirst materia alone which means 294 per fire/35 per tic = 8.4 tics x3 seconds per tic = one free fire spell every 25 seconds on average.

    That's 10+ extra Fire casts during a 5 minute battle (AV/CC boss fights?)
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