This thread is about butts.

[Knives]

You know, what we need for this topic is a leader. Someone who will make a thread with a respectable title, will update the op, and who is reasonably well informed in general about how the development processes work regarding character models and gear. Someone who will present the argument in such a way as to give the community team reason to continue bringing this issue to the devs.

A big problem we have now is that the topic sounds immature at first glance, so people get on their high-horse and attempt to derail the discussion with the usual "go play x" or "go watch y". The only way this has a shot is if we are taken seriously, and yet we must keep it positive despite those who would get in our way.

[Kittra]

A big problem we have now is that the topic sounds immature at first glance, so people get on their high-horse and attempt to derail the discussion with the usual "go play x" or "go watch y". The only way this has a shot is if we are taken seriously, and yet we must keep it positive despite those who would get in our way.

I don't know how anyone could present a thread about the shape of character butts respectably and not have people come in and try to derail, or be negative about it (pretty much calling everyone supporting the topic perverts).

The previous thread (which actually got a Dev response) was about as unoffensive in title as you could get and it was still plagued to high heaven with people calling the OP, and anyone else asking for a change, sickos and disgusting freaks, which eventually lead to a moderator closing the thread because it had gone "off topic." ...

I suppose you could try a thread with a title like "Derriere Dimensions & The Fixable Flat" but I suspect a 99% chance of the first response being an HQ: "Really? We needed another thread like this again? >_>" response.

Somewhere along the line I would expect people to lose sight of the topic at hand as well and it would devolve into talk about cat butts instead of everyone focusing on the fact that this is a request for all races.

[Jamez82]

It is what it is. O.o

[Jynx]

I don't know how anyone could present a thread about the shape of character butts respectably and not have people come in and try to derail, or be negative about it (pretty much calling everyone supporting the topic perverts).

It would have to be focused on general character models and not focus as much on the bottom. Of course that would be somewhat against the terms that the people of this thread would want, if your going to gun for the buttocks then prepare to deal with the jokes.



As long as you present yourself in a serious manner and back yourself with serious logic and discussion the derailment will have less impact, it only works when people take the bait and attack the derailers.

You need to be able to seperate yourself in your OP, get opinionated in your posts later on but the meat of a great OP is often distant from the subject offering more facts for discussion than opinion. The best discussions come when there is alot of disect in the OP on both sides of the argument. I've spearheaded multiple large posts and find sucsess in that type of thread I described, the other is to make sure your thread remains relevant and at the top of the forums for as long as possible, without having people "Bump for justice!"

The longer you can hold a healthy discussion without mud-slinging the better.

[Shioban]

You know, what we need for this topic is a leader. Someone who will make a thread with a respectable title, will update the op, and who is reasonably well informed in general about how the development processes work regarding character models and gear. Someone who will present the argument in such a way as to give the community team reason to continue bringing this issue to the devs.

A big problem we have now is that the topic sounds immature at first glance, so people get on their high-horse and attempt to derail the discussion with the usual "go play x" or "go watch y". The only way this has a shot is if we are taken seriously, and yet we must keep it positive despite those who would get in our way.

I would...but I can't. I'd post a very length and detailed explanation of images, code and examples of how it can be done and why it also can't be done in some ways.

But I can't ~

But its a forum after all.

[Penguinmayhem]

word words words

Perhaps, then, someone should start a thread protesting for more customizability options and sliders in the physical character builder, generally, and not just specifically about ass?

[Kittra]

Perhaps, then, someone should start a thread protesting for more customizability options and sliders in the physical character builder, generally, and not just specifically about ass?

Sliders and more character customization has been brought up in the "Quality of Life" thread multiple times and passed over by the devs in favor of smaller suggestions.

I'm all for more character customization, but all we've heard so far is stuff along the lines of: Hair styles, Vanity System, and "We don't want to do that..."

They rarely ever say they won't do something, just that they don't want to do it if they can avoid it, much like the response the original "Butt" thread received from devs.

It is often times easier to petition for a single feature at a time and then petition for more later when a developer gives a bit of ground. Asking for everything at once only seems to get you ignored by the devs or lambasted by the masses who disagree with just one point in your topic.

[Penguinmayhem]

bla bla bla

While you do have a good point about scope and all, improving the physical customization in the character builder just seems to me like the sort of thing a whole lot more people would be willing to get behind (hurr durr) rather than focusing on particular things, even if it comes down to implementing one step at a time. I can't imagine the number of people who are already immediately thrown off a thread like this because of its focus on one particular aspect that's bound to seem juvenile, perhaps even borderline creepy, to many players.

Besides, just because the devs keep saying they'd rather not do something, that doesn't mean they won't do it if their paying customers continually insist that it is needed. Especially when they have no real good excuse not to. As has been brought up in this very thread; technology precedent, etc etc.

Also BOOB SIZE SLIDER

[818iggy]

I would have to agree with most pro bubble butt minded people not because I have a sickness for the thickness per say, but because if Final Fantasy is anything, its a game of aesthetics.

Let's be honest, the franchise is not original in most areas as a lot is just rehashed FFXI and FFXIV 1.0, but it has a winning formula in its aesthetics that FF fans just flock to. The game world although not big is very imaginative IMO and the characters are all tastefully done. But in a game that's so based on it's look the game designers are not giving us much customization in making our characters unique! I think that this butt craze is not the exact cause but symptomatic of what really is the issue, me finding my doppelganger in every other duty finder!

[Penguinmayhem]

I think that this butt craze is not the exact cause but symptomatic of what really is the issue, me finding my doppelganger in every other duty finder!

This so damn much. Getting bored seeing miqo'te girls who all have the same hair as me. Or Lightning's hair.