Conj needs to be split - WHM and BLM

[Kaminto]

As it stands now from what i can see, THM and CON have very little differences of each other, they can both heal but just do it in different manners, can both buff, but once again, takes a different approach at it, and they each have their own set of unique spells that may rarely, if ever, get used by most players, but the biggest problem i have is that they can both revive a character, not trying to go off-topic here but these 2 jobs are really nothing more than twins with subtle, yet recognizable differences, I was a WHM in FF11 and I didn't mind the fact that i had paper defense, i trusted my party to keep me alive because i was essential to their success, i had the power to make or break a victory, while at the same time my life was in my party's hands, that feeling alone was enough to make me do my best, especially during tense moments when the target has 1% health left but things start going bad, my decision to use my 2-hour and maybe die in the process was crucial.

But i don't get that same feeling in FF14 with these mage classes, Aetherytes has taken over our ability to help others reach destinations, people don't really wait to get raised anymore either since the Aetherytes make everything so convenient and even act as checkpoints for people who explore.

It's just the little things that made you feel needed and special in 11 barely exist in 14, and the term Conjurer doesn't seem to fit the role of a main healer in my opinion, White Mage is still more of a definitive term.

[Neptune]

If anything there should be talent trees like in wow. But if you get your way and split CON to whm and blm, what would you do with THM? I don't think you've thought it through.

[Kaedan]

No, Conjurer does not need to split. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Why do you want to pigeon-hole yourselves?

One of the best things about Conjurer is their ability to choose between Offense and Healing. I have the freedom to choose whether I'm going to primarily heal or primarily DD. Sure, if you're the only Con in a party, then you're going to have to do more healing. But what's wrong with that?

All splitting into Whm and Blm will do is make it harder to find a group (for Blm) and reduce fun overall (no more choice). Horrible, horrible idea.

However, the idea of an advanced class for people who want to specialize in healing (Whm advanced class) or specialize in DD (Blm advanced class) is perfectly fine. But don't try and fool yourselves that it will be any easier for you "DD onry" people to find groups. Mage DD is still going to always be a secondary thought.

[Kaedan]

To equal the balance, they should allow players to customise a class based on how they design it, i.e. they choose between a set choice of abilities to learn at different ranks and how they want to play their class as opposed to "getting all the skills/traits".

That feature is already in the game... it's called Action Points. I customize my character by choosing which of the skills I've learned that I want to equip. And the beauty of it is, I can change my customization without having to pay money or do some stupid quest to respec. So your suggestion is unnecessary and unwanted.

[Neptune]

This "keeping of the balance" actually wasn't effective in my opinion as first of all, players who play constantly make a much rounded conjurer for example than a conjurer who is specifically a conjurer.

A conjurer's conjurer is much more conjurer than a conjurer. I mean, who would conjurer a conjurer! Stupid conjurers. But not my conjurer conjurer.

[Laughlyn]

I'd exhange my Conjurer's "Cure" spells for a "Black Mage" label
And Thaumaturge...i cant really decided where to place, Whm or Rdm?
Either way, now im forced to level up my THM just to make sure i have 1 BLM, wichever it will be.
o_______O?

[Jinrya-Geki]

Player>> "Hey you're a conjurer, you're gonna be healer"

I wish there was a way to make people understand, I don't want to be a healer at all. I have no patience to do it. I am the totally wrong person to ask to heal. You will die if you make me one!

I is DD conjurer, I don't care if I do crap damage, I'd rather do crap damage than have someone rely on me to heal them.

[Kaedan]

Player>> "Hey you're a conjurer, you're gonna be healer"

I wish there was a way to make people understand, I don't want to be a healer at all. I have no patience to do it. I am the totally wrong person to ask to heal. You will die if you make me one!

I is DD conjurer, I don't care if I do crap damage, I'd rather do crap damage than have someone rely on me to heal them.

Then just flat out tell them you're not a healer. Say, "Sorry, I want to DD, not heal". You don't solve the problem by ignoring it.

In FFXI, I leveled Nin. But I was completely against tanking as a nin (as it wasn't what it was designed for). I was a DD Nin. So when I got party invites, I told them "I'm not tanking".

Basically I got one of two responses:

1) No party invite, no response.
2) Why?

When they asked why, I actually explained it to them. And once they were educated, they saw the use in having Nin as DD, invited me, and we went on to find a different person to Tank.

So yes, there will be times when ignorant people will discriminate against you for not fitting their concept (by the way, this is no different than racial profiling and stereotyping). But if you educate people who are willing to listen, it goes a long way.

You shouldn't be willing to give up your right to choose (freedom) just so that you'll fit into a narrow mold made by ignorant minds.

Down with pigeon-holing jobs, down with discrimination! Hooray to choice and versatility!


EDIT: At the same time, however, you should be willing to be flexible if you don't have a lot of options available. If you are the only free Conjurer online at the moment, and you want a party, you should be willing to heal if you really want to party.

[Neptune]

Then just flat out tell them you're not a healer. Say, "Sorry, I want to DD, not heal". You don't solve the problem by ignoring it.

In FFXI, I leveled Nin. But I was completely against tanking as a nin (as it wasn't what it was designed for). I was a DD Nin. So when I got party invites, I told them "I'm not tanking".

Basically I got one of two responses:

1) No party invite, no response.
2) Why?

Kaedan, I have to throw out a lot of respect toward you for this. It wasn't easy going against the flow in FFXI. Good for you.