Tank End Game

[Kitru]

Both of these statements cannot be true simultaneously.

The third statement was a typo on my part. The context should have made it pretty obvious given that I was only referencing ST rotations and attacks.

Paladin
150x1 (FB)
200x3 (SB)
260x5 (RoH)
=2050 (/3=683.33 Enmity/GCD)

Warrior
150x1 (HS)
200x3 (SS)
280x5 (BB)
=2150 (/3=716.67 Enmity/GCD)

My point was that WARs can pull ahead of PLDs in enmity generation. Not that it's an ideal thing to do in regular Tanking situations, just that it's a possibility. I regularly out-threat other Tanks for giggles on the final boss of CT.

Except that your math ignores the 25% debuff of Defiance compared to the 20% debuff of Shield Oath. Factor that in and you get 546.67 ((150 + 200 *3 + 260 * 5) / 3 * .8) and 537.5 ((150 + 200 *3 + 280 * 5) / 3 * .75). If you're going to make conjecture using math, at least make sure you're using the proper conversions so that you can actually compare apples to apples. If you don't account for Defiance/Shield Oath, each point of potency that a WAR gets is worth 1.067 points for a PLD.

Kitru, I respect your maths... but sometimes you seem to go looking for an argument where there really isn't one.

Except that your arguments were wrong as was your math. Both of them needed to be corrected. It's not picking a fight when I'm outright correcting you for not doing the math correctly.

You claimed that WAR could beat PLD ST enmity with just BB spam. Not only is BB spam not the best ST enmity rotation for WARs, it doesn't even amount to more than a PLD can put out. WAR can never beat PLD enmity over time, assuming they're both playing properly, because of Shield Oath having a lower damage penalty. The only time a WAR beats a PLD on ST enmity is in burst enmity generation because WAR can throw up Unchained + Berserk + Maim + SE + Internal Release all at once for a massive increase in enmity for 2-3 BB combos in a row.

You claimed that PLD had an AoE enmity advantage over time, which is, once again, blatantly false. Flash is simply too weak compared to the insanity of 2.1 Overpower and Steel Cyclone. PLD doesn't even have a spam use advantage over WAR since, in a purely AoE situation, a WAR can spam Overpower just as often as a PLD can throw out Fast>Riot>Flash.

There is absolutely nothing that a PLD can do to match WAR AoE enmity just like there is nothing that a WAR can do to match PLD ST enmity generation. Gear being equal, the only reason that a PLD is going to get AoE aggro off of a WAR or a WAR is going to get ST aggro off of a PLD is if the WAR (in the first case) or the PLD (in the second case) is doing something wrong (either that or the one pulling aggro is Provoking right before starting their burst enmity rotation immediately after the other tank has ended their burst enmity rotation).