90k errors and YOU SE

[Susanoh]

Actually, it is a valid point. Because you agreed to it. Yet again you've failed to see the point.
As for your analogy of "They could ban anyone at any time!", yes if they see fit to ban you for something they deem harmful to their game or the people playing it they are completley within their right to withdraw your access to the game, but this is completely off topic.

No-one is treating you like "garbage", don't make it out that someone in intentionally making your life a misery.

I'm only responding to this part of your post because the rest of it goes off on things that I never argued and have no interest in arguing.

If you think my analogy is off topic, then you aren't seeing the complete uselessness in parroting the ToS as if it has relevance to the discussion.

By agreeing to the ToS, you agree that SE can ban you at any time "for no reason." Not "if they find you harmful to the game" or any of that. It specifically states "FOR NO REASON" in all capital letters for you to see. If you wouldn't be satisfied with SE randomly banning you or a bunch of your friends just for giggles, then you agreed to something that you wouldn't put up with. In which case, what you agreed to you're only willing to put up with on a case by case basis, making the entire argument that "this is what you signed up for" pointless.

Edit: To make this more clear, no player in their right mind would ever in a million years play a game where developers abused their ToS to the fullest extent they are technically allowed. To even suggest that players should roll over and deal with something not just because it's the reasonable thing to do (which is fine), but because it's in the ToS, is ridiculous.

[Shioban]

If you think my analogy is off topic, then you aren't seeing the complete uselessness in parroting the ToS as if it has relevance to the discussion.

By agreeing to the ToS, you agree that SE can ban you at any time "for no reason." Not "if they find you harmful to the game" or any of that. It specifically states "FOR NO REASON" in all capital letters for you to see. If you wouldn't be satisfied with SE randomly banning you or a bunch of your friends just for giggles, then you agreed to something that you wouldn't put up with. In which case, what you agreed to you're only willing to put up with on a case by case basis, making the entire argument that "this is what you signed up for" pointless.

Edit: To make this more clear, no player in their right mind would ever in a million years play a game where developers abused their ToS to the fullest extent they are technically allowed. To even suggest that players should roll over and deal with something not just because it's the reasonable thing to do (which is fine), but because it's in the ToS, is ridiculous.

I haven't seen or heard of them banning anyone for "No Reason", that's simply there incase someone gets accidently banned to cover their behinds.
Stop trying to scapegoat the subject.


I posted it because people were whining "I want my money back, I want my time back, GOD ITS NOT FAIR!". So, yes you DID miss the point and your analogy has nothing to do with the topic at hand, because you DID sign up for this and its very clearly relevant.

To even suggest that players should roll over and deal with something not just because it's the reasonable thing to do (which is fine), but because it's in the ToS, is ridiculous.

By no means, roll over and let them tickle your belly for 2 hours. But everyone agreed to the ToS which says "You agree that we'll take the game down whenever we please for as long as we please". That's why you agreed to it in the first place.

The big issue here however is not the Terms of Service, or people getting banned, or why the sky is blue.

It's people who are crying and complaining about something they don't understand. When the basic answer is; "Things break, they need fixed, get over it".

That's my original point, if you can't understand that /shrug. (Ah well, at least I tried)

[Susanoh]

I haven't seen or heard of them banning anyone for "No Reason", that's simply there incase someone gets accidently banned to cover their behinds.
Stop trying to scapegoat the subject.

I posted it because people were whining "I want my money back, I want my time back, GOD ITS NOT FAIR!". So, yes you DID miss the point and your analogy has nothing to do with the topic at hand, because you DID sign up for this and its very clearly relevant.

There's no scapegoating going on here, I'm being fairly straightforward. If you can understand why players would complain if SE decided to start putting players' names up on a dart board and banning anyone the dart hits, then you understand that a player's expectations of their service is different from what they technically signed up for. Also, that if a player finds the service inadequate, they will make their voices heard regardless of what it says in the ToS. The entire thing is there to "cover their behind" as you put it, players understand well that developers will do what they want to, but they aren't going to sit and be quiet if they dislike the service they are getting.

It's people who are crying and complaining about something they don't understand. When the basic answer is; "Things break, they need fixed, get over it".

That's my original point, if you can't understand that /shrug. (Ah well, at least I tried)

Not sure why you'd think I don't understand that, I can see both sides of the argument just fine and never argued in favor of either of them. What I disagreed with is you using the ToS as leverage in your argument as if the ToS mattered at all.