This might be why people don't want SMNs much. (Coil Related)

[Huntington]

Tried to get a quick Turn 1 and 2 of Coil in today, find a PF group, we start at the snake, the other Summoner on the team is already in the arena near the snake. He doesn't control Ifrit, which I don't know why he has him out for this, Ifrit starts the fight early, gets killed, then the SMN dies and everyone rushes in to start it. We finish the fight, with me dropping an always satisfying LB3 Meteor, and pull it off while down a DPS. Once the treasure comes out, he greeds on Monk leggings, and gets them. So not only did he screw up the fight early and commit nothing to it, but he also gets gear for doing nothing. This honestly pisses me off a little, and I don't believe he should have been able to roll for anything, lords knows why the rest of the party didn't speak up and say he shouldn't have been able to after that.

/rant

Was this fair at all or even logical?

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The only point I was attempting to convey was pretty simple. He starts the run for us early, messes things up and dies, commits nothing to the actual fight, but still manages to have the audacity to Greed role for loot which he did nothing to deserve or earn. If people are going to make random groups for coil through Party Finder, there should already be unspoken rules, one which would specify that if you get carried through the fight, you have no right or privilege to the loot that drops. I was never concerned with getting the Monk gear, I focused on the PLD leggings that dropped. My frustration lies in that there was no accountability for his actions, and one reason I find that people don't want SMNs for runs like that over a Bard or Black Mage, is because they don't control their pets well. He did not, and I was the only one to speak up and say at the end that he should not have rolled for that when he did nothing to help anyone. That is all.

[mikoto_qc]

sad story, you are mad for gear in a video game ; ; how terrible it is. you decide to put hanger for gear in a game....i feel sorry for you bro ; ;
/comfort

[Huntington]

sad story, you are mad for gear in a video game ; ; how terrible it is. you decide to put hanger for gear in a game....i feel sorry for you bro ; ;
/comfort

Was that even English? I don't see why I wouldn't be a little irritated after something like that.

[bokchoykn]

I just want to say that this is a great thread title because this is obviously an accurate reflection on all people who play the SMN class.

Don't invite Summoners to your raid. They never control their pets, always die, and will ninjaloot your precious Monk gear.

[Lemon8or]

This has nothing to do with summoners besides the fact that he didn't control the pet. Hell you can put it on Obey now without any target so.... it's just him. You didn't specify loot rule so: he was there, he could roll greed on it. Not like your level 15 pugilist can use it anyway so why are you mad?

[whiskeybravo]

Pet's very often start fights unexpectedly. Bards do too lol

As for the greed role, well that's what it is, everyone can greed role - just a random number. One more reason to play with static, or at least people you know/have played with instead of random groups.

[Alistaire]

Replace that smn with an idiot on any job and you'd have the exact same story.

SMN is excellent on all turns even bordering on essential (as essential as a job can be anyway) for some.

[NaliaBrown]

In my raid group, our SMN is one of the best on our team. Are SCH equally as bad? I think your post is more about that specific SMN than SMNs in general.

[Mcshiggs]

It was party finder, if they want special loot rules, they should state them, if you want them, start your own party. It wasn't your party, no loot rules were stated beforehand saying if you accidentally pull early and die, but we win you don't get loot, if the group would have listened to you, and denied this summoner the right to greed roll, then he could have reported all of you, and whoever got the monk legs could have them taken away, and there possibly could have been a suspension or two in the mix.

[SarcasmMisser]

Someone go to that reddit thread and tell that smn that parsed 400 dps on t1 that he is a liability to groups lol.

People are bad at every job, even a smn that knows only the essentials will do amazing dps.