Is this acceptable for a story dungeon? (Thornmarch)

[Dinh]

This is pretty ridiculous having to wait on the duty finder for this long for something included in the story...

[Huntington]

My problem with Thornmarch is another one entirely, it seems that fight is the bane of PS3s. My images don't load, it lags awfully, enemies don't show up even when I know another party member already can see them and attack them. Never doing it again after that run earlier.

[aerolol]

My problem with Thornmarch is another one entirely, it seems that fight is the bane of PS3s. My images don't load, it lags awfully, enemies don't show up even when I know another party member already can see them and attack them. Never doing it again after that run earlier.

exactly the same here.
My character is mainly a tank and I'm never running this again. I'm on PS3 too.
As a matter of fact that's the only fight I never tanked.
I switched to healer because it was simply NOT POSSIBLE to play this fight decently as tank.
By the time I could target a moogle, a DPS and/or a healer was/were already dead.
It seems the last patch made it even worse..... if that's at all possible...

[Huntington]

exactly the same here.
My character is mainly a tank and I'm never running this again. I'm on PS3 too.
As a matter of fact that's the only fight I never tanked.
I switched to healer because it was simply NOT POSSIBLE to play this fight decently as tank.
By the time I could target a moogle, a DPS and/or a healer was/were already dead.
It seems the last patch made it even worse..... if that's at all possible...

The Sword from it is probably my best shot at a good weapon until Relic later on, I'm queing a party for it right now as a Tank ha, it's probably going to suck horribly, but with the game installed and the disc in the tray, I'm praying that it improves it to a manageable level. What is the issue with it you do you think? I've heard some PCs have bad frame rate drops for it, but it's so mangled and awful for consoles and I can't even guess why that might be.

[aerolol]

The Sword from it is probably my best shot at a good weapon until Relic later on, I'm queing a party for it right now as a Tank ha, it's probably going to suck horribly, but with the game installed and the disc in the tray, I'm praying that it improves it to a manageable level. What is the issue with it you do you think? I've heard some PCs have bad frame rate drops for it, but it's so mangled and awful for consoles and I can't even guess why that might be.

Well the 2 main issues I had were (besides heavy lag spikes and major frame rate drops, which are "normal" on this game):
1. Phase 1 was ok. But at the start of phase 2 there are so many flashy things happening... 9 targets (moogles), and most targets took precious seconds to load and/or be targetable.
A healer or DPS would die meanwhile before I could even target the moogles I was supposed to be tanking. Sometimes the Main tank would die.

2. Switching targets was a mess... on PS3 we have to press left/right to change targets (or cancel current target, face the enemy you want to aggro and target again while hoping it targets the right one) and with 9 targets it will take more precious seconds to aggro the moogles you have to. (I was OT, usually should pull 3 moogles, or at least that was the consensus back then).
You can't spam AoE hate skills like Overpower or Flash because that means you will be fighting for aggro with the main tank and all positioning goes to hell with it.
So you need to aggro 3 targets individually and fast (and maintain aggro while healers heal like crazy) which is nearly impossible on PS3 due to long loading times and mediocre targeting options.
Also ppl (usually undergeared DPS) will blame you for not marking targets >.>

I heard this moogle fight got nerfed a while ago, but I don't wanna see it anymore.


I would farm Titan HM any day over this fight.
Titan HM is a breeze now (after suffering on Titan XM), and also Titan HM drops ilv 80 weapon which has the same attack/vitality statuses from the Relic weapon, while moogle weapon is only Ilv 75, inferior to Titan weapon or Relic.

[Huntington]

1. Ha mine was so much worse, took like a minute or two before any mogs after the first one would appear, so I had to go against the targeting order and hit that numbered one first before I could attack anything else. Even when that first one was down by then, I still could not see any other targets usually. It feels bad when you're just running around dodging stuff you can't see while everyone else is doing their job, for my one run of it that worked anyways. I take it I should not quene as a Tank then at all, only done DPS so far, Healer would probably be easy since all of my party members would show up all the time unlike the enemies ha.



2. Do you use the R2 and L2 targeting cycle trick? If you hold R2 to go right, or L2 to go left, while hitting R1 or L1, it will quickly cycle through targets depending on their distance and proximity and the like. If there's two targets next to each other, just hold R2 and hit R1 to go to the right enemy, and L1 to go back to the left one. Not sure if you already do this but when I found it a few weeks back it helped tremendously with targeting.


I can't imagine what they nerfed for it when you see it now, I would do it all day every day for the weapons since it's such a simple fight when issues like this aren't happening, I hate to hear that I'd need to purchase a SSD card just to make it acceptable.

He only drops an 80 shield though which is the problem for Gladiator, you get Garuda's HM sword or the Mog one, and those are your best choices till Relic. The shield is still good, but I've never seen it drop on all of my runs even though I've seen others with it, so it's complicated.

[Dinh]

Ended up withdrawing at 160 minutes, I just couldn't spend any more time on that.

[Lyrinn]

Not only does it have terrible queue times, but it's horrible when you have even one person not doing it correctly. It's pretty much a wipe if DPS don't/can't(I've actually seen DPS not know how to count) hit the same targets in order; it's a wipe if healers don't play the transition properly; and it's a wipe if tanks don't grab their respective targets and keep them away from the bard. I can't say it's overtuned because it's laughably easy if people follow instructions, but stupidity kills it faster than Titan ever could - unless, of course, you end up in a full party of i90, but good luck with DF giving you that.

At least a few people re-run it for the weapons. Cape Westwind pretty much doesn't exist.

[MicahZerrshia]

This is fairly easy content if you deduct the load times of the ps3 (invest in an ssd card if you are having issues with the ps3, from what I hear from ps3 players is that they work miracles for load times and display). Idk why ppl complain so much about this battle, the strat and fight are not overly complicated if you have a decent machine to play on.

On a side note, don't queue for these fights, use party finder and /sh in mor dhona to set one up. The ones on our server fill fairly quick. To me df is something to use when you have other things to do and don't wanna camp pf. Just don't rely so strongly on df for any content and your life will be much easier.

[SummonerSenah]

I only do Thornmarch in Party Finder. That way if you do get a good party, you can farm it. I have all but two of the weapons now.