Throw awat the iLv system, implement a PvE Rank system.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Please look into implementing a PvE ranking system instead.

Exactly how would this work? From what I can tell, it would all come down to a grind. PvP has a ranking system, and that's mostly grinding too. iLvl isn't really any different.
That being said, I don't know of anyone who would conflate iLvl to mean skill.

[Gamemako]

That being said, I don't know of anyone who would conflate iLvl to mean skill.

Open the party finder and you'll see them.

[Lurkios]

Open the party finder and you'll see them.

Setting an ilvl requirement simply means you want players with the necessary gear to complete content at the desired pace and success rate. It has nothing to do with skill.

[Gamemako]

Setting an ilvl requirement simply means you want players with the necessary gear to complete content at the desired pace and success rate. It has nothing to do with skill.

Yeah, because you totally need ilvl75 for Titan HM, which can be completed with 4 players--

[Lurkios]

Yeah, because you totally need ilvl75 for Titan HM, which can be completed with 4 players--

Setting an ilvl requirement simply means you want players with the necessary gear to complete content at the desired pace and success rate. It has nothing to do with skill.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Open the party finder and you'll see them.

I am not sure how that equates to skill. It's simply a matter of either a) What Lurkios said above; or b) Wanting to overgear for the fight. Nobody, at least in this forum or in my experiences in game, has ever made the statement: oh, he's ilvl 87, he must have leet skills (or something to that effect).

[Traek]

I am not sure how that equates to skill. It's simply a matter of either a) What Lurkios said above; or b) Wanting to overgear for the fight. Nobody, at least in this forum or in my experiences in game, has ever made the statement: oh, he's ilvl 87, he must have leet skills (or something to that effect).

Actually a lot do think that. You are on the same server as me, so I'm surprised you try to claim otherwise. It is really terrible on Sarg. *They've cleared content, and have i90 pieces, so they must be good.* Honestly the ilvl reqs are a joke. I cleared Garuda EX > Ifrit EX in a weekend on my MNK alt with i72 gear. I out dps'd everyone in the party, was always last one standing, and on all fights it was my first clear as a MNK (I did go MNK one time on main for Titan EX to give some FC people practice, they didn't get past heart). Even with all that said, I can't get into most EX parties currently because of ilvl lockouts, and I'm ilvl81 now. Most Garuda farms lockout melee, and ask for i85+. I never get hit by wicked wheel, and any i80+ parties I join I out DD the other ranged by 50-90 each time. It is really rather sad, especially considering MNK loses its GL3 about every phase change.

/endrant

ilvl req's put in place by SE is fine, they are reasonable and know the minimum amount to complete content. It is pretty sad to see the playerbase rely so heavily on them as some marker of completing fights. Most the time the players are terrible, regardless of ilvl.

All that said, cleared content isn't much of a marker toward rank either. There is always small exceptions, but I'd find the system just as abrasive if not more so toward new players, and people without the time to run on the raid treadmill as much as others. Asking for experience for content needing experience isn't a bad thing. I've seen people in T5 weapons eat dirt just as much on Titan EX as about any other. Skill isn't easily measured.

[Gamemako]

Setting an ilvl requirement simply means you want players... to complete content at the desired... success rate. It has nothing to do with skill.

Fundamentally contradictory statement, since it can easily be completed at ilvl57 with competent players and will still be hopeless at ilvl75 with crappy players.

I cleared Garuda EX > Ifrit EX in a weekend on my MNK alt with i72 gear. I out dps'd everyone in the party, was always last one standing, and on all fights it was my first clear as a MNK (I did go MNK one time on main for Titan EX to give some FC people practice, they didn't get past heart).

Ha, I feel ya. The fun thing about playing a DPS over a tank is that you get to see this awesome bar that shows how bad everyone else really is. Ain't nothin' like tanking a giant, being eaten by KB, and being eaten by Acheron due to tank deaths all in the same run... with i71 gear.

[Cherie]

Yeah, because you totally need ilvl75 for Titan HM, which can be completed with 4 players--

LOL, Once we finished it with 3 in a duty finder pug. The other 5 died promptly after the heart phase! Poor things, wait till they see extreme mode... ; ; At least my healer friend and I helped 5 others get their relics. Doing this at launch was alot harder, cause very few even had darklite, since farming it was more difficult back then (first 2-3 weeks of the game). You almost had to have everyone survive to kill it before Titan's stomps murdered everyone.

[Zarzak]

That being said, I don't know of anyone who would conflate iLvl to mean skill.

This is my thought on the matter. You can get ilvl 90 without ever stepping foot in a raid zone. Unless you count the hard modes. So equating ilvl to skill is a bad idea to begin with. Only 2 things I'd take as proof of skill when it comes to "what they person is wearing" would be Ifrit drops (aka bracer or primal weapons) or T5 drops.