Limit break changes suggestions

[Dano]

the tank changes wouldn't work, it'll require SE to change the Primal fights completely, or even all the end game fights, but it doesn't matter since when the instance hard enrages you are going to die regardless. IE: Twintania will just spam Aetherial Profusion endlessly if you don't kill her in 12mins, no amount of Tank LB will save you from this, unless they add a pseudo invincible/invulnerable into the Tank LB...

[kukurumei]

the tank changes wouldn't work, it'll require SE to change the Primal fights completely, or even all the end game fights, but it doesn't matter since when the instance hard enrages you are going to die regardless. IE: Twintania will just spam Aetherial Profusion endlessly if you don't kill her in 12mins, no amount of Tank LB will save you from this, unless they add a pseudo invincible/invulnerable into the Tank LB...

Not really, you just don't know primal fights (because they cheat through even LBs)

Titan EX for example

tank LB :Worthless, it won't absorb certain things like gero crush. They developers didn't want you to bypass super bombs with tank lb, so it wont. end of story on that.

healer LB : worthless as well, the cast time on it is stupid. They timed it such that no phases you can get away with a healer LB to bypass any mechanics of titan.

Melee LB: decent, but it's based on pt combined power. With the cast time...it's really near pointless as if you have 8 people alive for the damage multiplier of titan, you wouldn't need a LB, from the way the phases are structured.

Caster LB: probably the most useful in titan since you can wipe out the adds with chaos that comes from landslides and puddle placement.


LBs do not change fights because they script it that way. Reason tank lb and healer LB are worthless many many times. Healer especially is worthless most of the time because with the cast time, the weakness, and the animation, you are dead right back down...it doesn't even have infinite range.

It's basically SE's immature battle planners. They are so paranoid of balance they unbalance things doing the exact opposite. Battles are so scripted LB is just an eye candy in the greater scheme of it. Reason Melee or caster LB is the "goto" LB.

[therpgfanatic]

Tanks getting to use their limit break in 1-2 end-game boss encounters isn't acceptable. Anyone who thinks it is okay for DPS classes to be the only ones who get to limit break 1-50 isn't thinking straight.

Limit breaks need to be completely retooled anyway. They should be individual abilities, and the party shouldn't share a meter. Making limit breaks party-shared just leads to unnecessary trolling in Duty Finder groups.

[Valmar]

In T5 you use Caster Limit, Ultima Hm Tank Lb, as well in Garuda Ex and Hm, could also use it in T4 as well.

It sounds like to me you don't do any content outside of 4mans.

[Remn]

by your logic, the number i observe would be 50/30/15/5 % then which is no where near the number you posted.
Tank LB mostly use in Ultima HM and Garuda Xm.
Healer LB msotly use when *** hit the fan, but most of the time ppl will get kill right after res, if LB was use on wrong timing LOL
Caster LB is mostly for AOE, Titan Xm if you malee was dead during add, Garuda Xm + her sister, T5 snake, and where ever u want AoE Nuke lol
Malee LB is mostly whe you want to focus damage to 1 target. like force the boss to change phase or make the mob die faster.

[Cabalabob]

You're arguing an irrelevant point, wasn't even gonna post those numbers originally and I can edit them out if they're causing you to get stuck. like I said I'm not arguing the fact that there is an imbalance I'm suggesting how to change the imbalance I know is there.

[cotti]

Nope, just no.

Maybe there would be something to discuss if you didn't pull numbers out of... nowhere (besides your head and your personal observations, we know), and actually used the search to add something to an existing thread about the issue, all of them arguably more useful than yours.

[Giantbane]

I agree that ranks 1 & 2 of the Healer LB are underwhelming. Maybe have it also restore mana? Or have ranks 1 & 2 revive 1 or 2 (respectively) random players in the group? Something else at least. The heal alone doesn't seem enough to justify using it.

[Cabalabob]

Nope, just no.

Maybe there would be something to discuss if you didn't pull numbers out of... nowhere (besides your head and your personal observations, we know), and actually used the search to add something to an existing thread about the issue, all of them arguably more useful than yours.

There, numbers are gone, has the point of the thread changed? No, does your post contribute anything to the thread anymore? No. You're clearly off point. If you're going to post, contribute don't try to derail the thread.

I agree that ranks 1 & 2 of the Healer LB are underwhelming. Maybe have it also restore mana? Or have ranks 1 & 2 revive 1 or 2 (respectively) random players in the group? Something else at least. The heal alone doesn't seem enough to justify using it.

Star example of someone contributing, by suggesting an idea to make the LB more desirable.

[Mikara]

The healer LB already does restore 33%/66%/100% MP (it may be 25%/50%/100%, but it does restore MP) depending on the level, but it is still rarely used. I do think the raising random targets for each level could be nice, I think it would have to give priority to tank>healer>dps though. The tank LB is laughable in uses, I've never seen it used in anything except when we were still learning T5 (for the pull before the meter gets wiped). I honestly think for tank LB, it should be a super potent type of stone skin or something. Maybe consisting of 25%/50%/100% total HP stone skin (I don't think making it save you against enrage / instant wipe mechanics is a good idea though). Bard LB needs reworked, or just rework bard in general (this is obviously for a different thread, but just throwing it out there because it slightly relates).

However, I am still on both sides of the fence about how LB works / charges in this game. Obviously it is meant to be a group decision of which one you want to use as it is now. It feels unfair that most people never get to use theirs except for in niche situations just because of the job they chose. With that being said, LBs would have to be toned down WAY more for everyone to be able to get their own LBs and use them whenever the situation comes up.