Please keep: Surplus, repairs, stat point allocation and job flexibility!

[Selamis]

The only way to not punish those that want to grind endlessly on one job but reward the people that only log in a few times a week for a few hours, is to use WoW's model of rested xp. This has been said since fatigue first came into the light during closed beta 2, and went completely ignored by SE.

The current system in no way helps anyone, because as Kuro said, anyone that's motivated enough will still be able to push through surplus and level, and it's not going to matter in the long run anyway. There's nothing to do now, regardless if you barely play and take your time to 50, or you're already at cap, there's nothing when you get there except a few world nms and crafting. Yes, content is being worked on, that's not the point. The people playing now will either be 50 by the time the rest of the world (PS3 users) starts playing or they're going to quit the game long before then so the new people will be at an automatic disadvantage anyway from the start.

The system as it now needs to be replaced, it hasn't worked, and the only reason it's in place now anyway is to stop people from reaching level cap before content is added.

[Sovereign]

I don't think surplus makes any sense at all. If I want to play a whole bunch on one class, then why do I have to hit a ridiculous artificial cap? I also don't buy the argument that it helps casual players, or the idea that punishing hard-core players is anywhere near a reasonable solution.

If it were me, I would remove surplus and guardians favor. If I spend more time leveling, then I should progress faster than someone who doesn't. That's just how the genre works and should work, in my opinion. I think every casual player in every MMORPG ever created understands and accepts that they will simply progress slower if they play less. I guess I just don't understand the logic behind changing that idea, especially by punishing hard core players.

On one final point, I can hit fatigue on my CON and THM in about 2 days each (a couple levequests, and a few behests gets you there pretty darn fast...). I don't have the stats, gear, or desire to play a DoW, DoH, or DoL. The system pretty actively prevents players like me from having fun by making good progress everyday on what we want to do. All so some other theoretical player can try and keep up? =/

[Abriael]

Are you suggesting that I put my weapons up for repair and wait for someone to repair it for me? Wasting both of our time? Or are you suggesting NPC repair which isn't as good?

I'm suggesting you try the tools you're given instead of just whining. Just having your stuff to repair in your bazar and walking around a city for a couple minutes will normally result in you finding the items back in your inventory fully repaired.
And don't worry about wasting anyone's time. They're paid for the job.

As for the second comment; you're clearly not aware that a THM solos some of the HNMs in this game...

If that happens it's not that the classes are not characterized enough. The problem is that the NMs (there are no HNMs in this game) aren't challenging enough and need to be rebalanced so that can easily bishot anyone that's not protected by heavy armor.

[Raansu]

I'm suggesting you try the tools you're given instead of just whining. Just having your stuff to repair in your bazar and walking around a city for a couple minutes will normally result in you finding the items back in your inventory fully repaired.
And don't worry about wasting anyone's time. They're paid for the job.



If that happens it's not that the classes are not characterized enough. The problem is that the NMs (there are no HNMs in this game) aren't challenging enough and need to be rebalanced so that can easily bishot anyone that's not protected by heavy armor.

Bull Shit. I always have to leave my game running over night to get my gear repaired. And quite often I wake up in the morning I find that my gear is still sitting in the bazaar waiting for repairs. The system is stupid, I shouldnt have to rely on some jackass to repair my gear that already degrades way to fast. And I should not have to deal with a repair NPC that charges way to much only to repair to 75%.

Just get rid of the stupid idea and be done with it. Weapon damage in any mmo is just DUMB.

[Abriael]

Bull Shit. I always have to leave my game running over night to get my gear repaired.

Maybe you don't offer enough for it? Is what you offer doesn't even cover the cost of materials, you can bet people don't feel like working for charity. 4-7k normally works.

Or maybe crafters are just sensing your seething negativity and whiny attitude in your aura and are steering well clear of you.

Personally, I can't remember the last time I finished putting all my items up for repair in which the first ones weren't already done by the first crafter that happened to notice my icon.
Who knows, maybe it's my charm.

Just get rid of the stupid idea and be done with it. Weapon damage in any mmo is just DUMB.

because you say so?

[Selamis]

I'm amazed at the amount of White Knighting that goes on for this game across every single community site, and still am shocked how many people try to defend this system. For every person that claims it's ok or they've had a good experience with it, there's probably at least 50 other people that have just the opposite happen. If the player base as a majority doesn't like something, it should probably be changed to appeal to them instead of the minority.

[Raansu]

Maybe you don't offer enough for it? Is what you offer doesn't even cover the cost of materials, you can bet people don't feel like working for charity. 4-7k normally works.

Or maybe crafters are just sensing your seething negativity and whiny attitude in your aura and are steering well clear of you.

Personally, I can't remember the last time I finished putting all my items up for repair in which the first ones weren't already done by the first crafter that happened to notice my icon.
Who knows, maybe it's my charm.



because you say so?

I have always offered at minimum 5k. I would always check the item needed to repair, and would add 1k to the amount of the items cost. I even offered 20k once, and my item sat there for hours. I don't feel like sitting around waiting for someone to repair my gear, and I definitely don't like leaving my game running over night in hopes someone would repair it.

Quit being a stubborn fanboy and wake up. Its an inconvenience to the players and it either needs to have some major changes or be completely removed. As of right now, its in the way.

[Abriael]

I don't need to wake up. My direct experience and your attitide are clearly telling me that you're just spewing some bull to try and make a false point

If you can't get people to repair your items, then you're doing it wrong. If you're not doing it wrong, you simply lie because you can't stand your point being exposed as flawed.

The only "waking up" i need to do is understanding that giving attention to trolls is a bad idea.
In any case item repairing won't go away, no matter how you fume and foam at the mouth.

Bye

[Rayle]

See, the repair system doesn't need to be removed. Every MMO needs a currency sink like this to remove inflation. It just that in this case SE has added a step that is just annoying. Never, in ANY mmo, ever, should something so BASIC and required by EVERYONE and so OFTEN have you be REQUIRED to rely on ANOTHER PERSON. Just let us repair to full at an npc, remove the currency from the economy and let me get back to playing. This is just another example, like the surplus that SE added to creating a barrier to stop people from enjoying the game. SE is their own worst enemy when it comes to MMOs, I find. This is another example.

[Raansu]

I don't need to wake up. My direct experience and your attitide are clearly telling me that you're just spewing some bull to try and make a false point

If you can't get people to repair your items, then you're doing it wrong. If you're not doing it wrong, you simply lie because you can't stand your point being exposed as flawed.

The only "waking up" i need to do is understanding that giving attention to trolls is a bad idea.
In any case item repairing won't go away, no matter how you fume and foam at the mouth.

Bye

Ok oh wise fanboy, please explain what I am doing wrong then. Ive gone afk leaving my items up in the bazaar for repair in most of the major gathering areas. Ive had him stand in front of the repair npc, on the main steps in ul'dah, near the aetheryte, near the wards entrance, near popular local leve npc's in town, near crafting guilds, near the adv. guild. I'm not saying my stuff doesnt get repaired, but I do have to wait for way to long to get them repaired.

Simple fact is, when I go to town to repair my gear, I expect it to be simple and quick so I can get back to PLAYING the game. I dont want to go afk and hope someone comes by and repairs my stuff. I dont want to spend a ridiculous amount of gil to a npc to only repair it to 75%.

I'm not trolling. The way repairs are setup right now is a legitimate problem with the game, but yet stupid blind fanboys like you continue to defend such a broken setup. Why is beyond me, I guess you enjoy your games being broken. I for one would like to see this game improve instead of rolling over and just accepting broken as is.