................................................dungeons are predictable what beter way to learn how to do your job then grinding on hard mobs for extended periods of times with a party wether it be set up how people think it should or your own custom way in 11(yes i know i refer to 11 alot but i played it forever)me and my cusin and our group of friends it might have been a small group but we could low man what it took an alince to do or duo what it took a party to do we may not succeed right at first but after a few atemps we had it down that aspect is lost in 14 i miss that aspect where you could go and low man something to get your drop because people where all linkshell based and if you dident start the linkshell you where at the botom of the list