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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
    Yoshi was actually accurate with the comment he made about lighting effects being more important than texture resolution in current times. If you look at most of the newer engines like Fox, Panta Rhei, Unreal 4 and Cryengine, the most significant improvements are all lighting effects.

    I think the most noticeable example of this is Metal Gear Solid 5. The models and textures really aren't anything special, but the type of lighting effects the engine employs on the models and environments cause everything to blend together in a way that makes it look realistic.

    ARR's biggest graphical improvement is most probably the way lighting is handled. Skintones, hair and materials look pretty great in direct lighting, considering how little the game focuses on graphics.
    Yeah. But compare the textures u get from said games with this. Lighting can only do so much.
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    If you want reduction in jaggies you need a PC simple as that. The only that works here with all these low res transparencies is supersampling imo. It looks pretty damn sweet on 4x SGSSAA but runs badly as well. 2x is okay..... literally light years ahead of anything the PS3 is capable of doing with anti-aliasing. I feel so bad for PS3 gamers. This games looks like so much ass on that console. PS4 I hope is going to use Sony's new TSSAA or whatever it is they are using in KZ. I bet Square goes FXAA only though.

    Shadow LODs in this game are just bad. Takes me out everytime I see them flickering so madly in Gridania. Putting cascading down to normal gets the horrid ones but introduces the terrible cascading on normal lol. I use 2xSGSSAA as that is what I can use for 40-60FPS 55 average on my OC'd 770. The transparencies in this game are very low resolution and emit tons of jaggies that can only really be solved with a few options.

    This game still needs some optimization and that is dead clear. HDR in this game basically does nothing from what I can tell. I've looked and looked for what it does. It does nothing but add frames and maybe less compression I have no idea. Be nice to actually see this setting do something.

    All I really want though is LODs and shadows to be fixed as well the refinements that come with DX11. It seems that stuff should look better next round but at what cost? I really hope dx11 runs well because any more drops in FPS and I will have to start knocking something down.
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    Would they have to edit each texture file in order to upgrade the quality and how long would that take? And if so should this even be a top priority graphic design team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loren View Post
    Would they have to edit each texture file in order to upgrade the quality and how long would that take? And if so should this even be a top priority graphic design team?
    They would have to essentially redo each file. You can downscale textures, but you can't upscale them - it will only yield a softer image when mapped. Unless they have some special program to do this for them, it would take a lot of development time. So while I don't plan on getting high resolution textures anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised to hear they're looking into ways to make some textures look less pixelated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheer View Post
    They would have to essentially redo each file. You can downscale textures, but you can't upscale them - it will only yield a softer image when mapped. Unless they have some special program to do this for them, it would take a lot of development time. So while I don't plan on getting high resolution textures anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised to hear they're looking into ways to make some textures look less pixelated.
    They likely have high-res textures that they downscaled during the optimization process. Many texture artists I know start pretty big, and slowly reduce file-sizes and texture sizes until they hit a sweet spot of looks and desired optimization. I just hope that S-E kept a few of their larger versions around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norna View Post
    They likely have high-res textures that they downscaled during the optimization process. Many texture artists I know start pretty big, and slowly reduce file-sizes and texture sizes until they hit a sweet spot of looks and desired optimization. I just hope that S-E kept a few of their larger versions around.
    Right; I completely agree with you. I myself work with textures mostly in Maya for my projects, but if they made small textures to start with (which I sincerely hope they didn't), then they would need to redo each texture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheer View Post
    if they made small textures to start with (which I sincerely hope they didn't), then they would need to redo each texture.
    I have to hope this isn't the case and that there's still a possibility of them implementing high res textures (expecially now that dx11 is delayed). :< We deserve to be able to play a gorgeous game without all that horrid pixelation!
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    Add better anti aliasing, add hdr, add bloom, stuff like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    Add better anti aliasing, add hdr, add bloom, stuff like that
    All of which will make the low res textures MUCH more noticeable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moheeheeko View Post
    All of which will make the low res textures MUCH more noticeable
    They are only Funcom MMOS that ever looked great. I mean, heavy textures come with a price, which is storage space. Since PS3 support is still around and no dedicated pc engine, you won't have these superb high textures anytime soon.

    They did it for FF XIV 1st Edition.

    And it failed pretty badly.

    Other than that whats the deal with low res textures anyway, lightning effects is the important thing here. We re in 2014 and Pixel Art games are also still a BIG deal. Not everything have to be top notch on the pure technic side.
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