New Letter from the Producer, XII

[Sorel]

OK then. Here's a hypothetical situation in a hypothetical game.

A ninja player is in a dungeon where he has to defeat a final boss. The ninja uses patience, knowledge of monsters aggressive tendencies (sight, sound, etc), items, and stealth abilities to avoid all combat until meeting the final boss ... which he defeat in combat.

Now, a samurai player is in the same dungeon and has to defeat the same final boss. The samurai uses tactics, maneuvering, well-timed abilities, items, and her weapon to defeat every monster between her and the final boss ... which she defeats in combat.

So ...

1. Who was the more "skillfull player"?
2. Who took more risks?
3. Who should get more reward?

[syntaxlies]

OK then. Here's a hypothetical situation in a hypothetical game.

A ninja player is in a dungeon where he has to defeat a final boss. The ninja uses patience, knowledge of monsters aggressive tendencies (sight, sound, etc), items, and stealth abilities to avoid all combat until meeting the final boss ... which he defeat in combat.

Now, a samurai player is in the same dungeon and has to defeat the same final boss. The samurai uses tactics, maneuvering, well-timed abilities, items, and her weapon to defeat every monster between her and the final boss ... which she defeats in combat.

So ...

1. Who was the more "skillfull player"?
2. Who took more risks?
3. Who should get more reward?

i dont think a dungeon should be able to be soloed

[Wolfie]

i dont think a dungeon should be able to be soloed

And why not?

[Molly_Millions]

And why not?

yeah, why not?

Sure, we shouldn't be able to solo the r50 dungeon until the rank cap gets raised, but not to be able to solo the r30 dungeon at 50? Why the hell not?

[Wolfie]

yeah, why not?

Sure, we shouldn't be able to solo the r50 dungeon until the rank cap gets raised, but not to be able to solo the r30 dungeon at 50? Why the hell not?

Not even that. Aion has 3 one-player dungeons that are actually really cool and work well. The gear isn't top tier and it's not a 100% drop, but they're good for making money and leveling.

SE could easily put in some solo dungeons to give cool content for solo players.

[Reinheart]

i dont think a dungeon should be able to be soloed

If the dungeon is like the game Demon Seoul then I'm all up for it being solo, you can challenge your skills, if you think you can't pass it you can ask someone to help you. I like hard challenges but that's just a style of player, some don't like it being too hard.

[Sorel]

i dont think a dungeon should be able to be soloed

And why not?

yeah, why not?

Sure, we shouldn't be able to solo the r50 dungeon until the rank cap gets raised, but not to be able to solo the r30 dungeon at 50? Why the hell not?

let me clarify, idont think a dungeon can be soled and still consider it skillful play. A rank 50 going in a 30 dungeon is a walk in the park.
thats like me going in nanawa mines killing everything in there and soloing kokoroon. I can easily do it with little effort and dont consider it skill

If the dungeon is like the game Demon Seoul then I'm all up for it being solo, you can challenge your skills, if you think you can't pass it you can ask someone to help you. I like hard challenges but that's just a style of player, some don't like it being too hard.

/facepalm

Guys ... forest ... trees ... your focusing on the wrong thing here. So to clear this up lets say in the hypothetical game it was a PARTY of ninja boys, and a PARTY of samurai girls.

Now then. Here's the hypothetical situation in the hypothetical game.

A ninja party is in a dungeon where they have to defeat a final boss. The ninja boys uses patience, knowledge of monsters aggressive tendencies (sight, sound, etc), items, stealth abilities, and coordinated teamwork to avoid all combat until meeting the final boss ... which the ninja boys defeat in combat.

Now, a samurai party is in the same dungeon and has to defeat the same final boss. The samurai girls uses coordinated tactics, maneuvering, well-timed abilities, items, and their weapons to defeat every monster between them and the final boss ... which the samurai girls defeat in combat.

So ...

1. Which party was the more "skillfull party"?
2. Which party took more risks?
3. Which party should get more reward?
4. When should they get the reward? At the end? After reaching certain waymarkers? After defeating a monster?

[Eldaena]

/facepalm

Guys ... forest ... trees ... your focusing on the wrong thing here. So to clear this up lets say in the hypothetical game it was a PARTY of ninja boys, and a PARTY of samurai girls.

Now then. Here's the hypothetical situation in the hypothetical game.

A ninja party is in a dungeon where they have to defeat a final boss. The ninja boys uses patience, knowledge of monsters aggressive tendencies (sight, sound, etc), items, stealth abilities, and coordinated teamwork to avoid all combat until meeting the final boss ... which the ninja boys defeat in combat.

Now, a samurai party is in the same dungeon and has to defeat the same final boss. The samurai girls uses coordinated tactics, maneuvering, well-timed abilities, items, and their weapons to defeat every monster between them and the final boss ... which the samurai girls defeat in combat.

So ...

Which party was the more "skillfull party"?
Which party took more risks?
Which party should get more reward?

The only difference is Samurai party gets more exp for killing more mobs, and ninja gets more something else for speed. The end.

[Reinheart]

So ...

1. Which party was the more "skillfull party"? me, myself, I, and Ore (JP for me), there 4 members I got myself a light party.
2. Which party took more risks? mine because we all had subligar, and we risked our subligar to be scratched.
3. Which party should get more reward? mine because my subligar says so.
4. When should they get the reward? At the end? After reaching certain waymarkers? After defeating a monster? After walking out of the dungeon while singing we are the champions (in subligar of course.)

On honest response why not just make it so it tallies up all the things you did throughout the dungeon and reward after. Win or Lose.

While you're running through the dungeon you either get exp as usual, or nothing at all while in dungeon but once you finish the dungeon it calculates how many mobs you killed, how many traps you where able to pass, how many hidden treasure you found, how fast you cleared, etc...etc... and depending on that it gives you whatever bonus or total exp + reward gil, items, etc.

Only problem with that is this is MMO (easy to do in non online game I think) and you have to think what if player disconnects during the dungeon, then what happens? Dunno how to resolve this part, doubt server can keep record of that info for long time if that player don't return right away or something.

[syntaxlies]

let me clarify, idont think a dungeon can be soled and still consider it skillful play. A rank 50 going in a 30 dungeon is a walk in the park.
thats like me going in nanawa mines killing everything in there and soloing kokoroon. I can easily do it with little effort and dont consider it skill