Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[Alcyon1]

Hmm ...

What's the main job of a tank ? Making the raid take the minimal amount of damage.
What's the main job of a healer ? Keeping everybody alive.
What's the main job of a DPS ? Making the raid do the maximum damage and not taking avoidable damage.

What's the sub job of a tank ? Help the DPS by doing some damage and the healers (Ot castinf Stonskin is an example).
What's the sub job of healer ? Help the DPS in some fights (plumes vs Garuda EX is an example).
What's the sub job of a DPS ? Nothing (except for BRD).

In end-game content, if the DPS is too weak, the raid wipes. So, gimping your DPS for more "utility" is a no-no.

[Clavaat]

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This is WoW mentality. The OP's ideas make sense in an FFXI mentality, and, what he had hoped, would be an FFXIV mentality. That's kind of the whole point of this. Not necessarily what is the best option, but to explore options and hopefully expand upon them in the future. Why limit yourself to 1 idea and 1 idea only? As I said before, at this point in the game, your mentality here is correct. However, what if ACN had access to Silence that SMN didn't? This opens up the door for more options when grouping up. I for one would like this game to expand to more options for Utility/Support jobs beyond just BRD. I understand, and I believe the OP understands, that this isn't how it currently is in FFXIV. However, games evolve. It's possible that the extra healing on you (Convalescence), would be important during Leviathan or something. Probably not, but maybe. Keep your options open, keep thinking, don't limit yourself.

EDIT: Actually, that post is kind of wrong anyway, as melee can stun, which is a Utility in several fights.

[Alcyon1]

snp

Erm. The guys is talking about ACN vs SMN in FFXIV NOW, I don't care about FFXI. I think most users are getting tired of "look at WOW" or "look at FFXI". FFXIV is actually designed as I said earlier, it might change, but actually a level 50 ACN in a group is just trolling.

PS No. Usual, a DPs using a stun is a burden in fights where stunning is important. To be honest, a MNK can silence in T1 and T2, but the dps loss is big and can be an issue.
PS2 I never played WOW, I probably started MMO's before you did.

[Clavaat]

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Those MMO's are referenced often because they are the biggest ones, with 2 very different schools of thought. And, frankly, almost every MMO can be classified between those 2 schools of thought. Please note the "almost" there. Saying that DPS should only DPS, Tank should only Tank, and Heal should only Heal is a misconception, and falls into the WoW mentality. The OP is exploring the options of Utility vs. Traditional Role, which I commend thoroughly, though I am fully aware it's not as viable currently. I've only recently started seeing threads discussing the real potential of Classes in certain scenarios, so there's no reason not to discuss it further. If we fall into a 1 Job/Class 1 Role mentality, we could be limiting ourselves from other possibilities.

[Trashy]

The OP is exploring the options of Utility vs. Traditional Role, which I commend thoroughly, though I am fully aware it's not as viable currently.

No he's not. Utility and hybridization are not the same thing. Utility is provided in XIV by things like Bard songs, Virus/E4E, stun, etc. Yes, FFXIV lacks in that. The OP does nothing to change that lack of utility though.

Arcanists provide nothing at all in utility that's not better provided by another class. An Arcanist provides versatility over the SMN. But that's a false choice. There is no point, in pretty much any game, when being able to do two things badly is better than doing one thing well.

[Alcyon1]

Those MMO's are referenced often because they are the biggest ones, with 2 very different schools of thought. And, frankly, almost every MMO can be classified between those 2 schools of thought. Please note the "almost" there. Saying that DPS should only DPS, Tank should only Tank, and Heal should only Heal is a misconception, and falls into the WoW mentality. The OP is exploring the options of Utility vs. Traditional Role, which I commend thoroughly, though I am fully aware it's not as viable currently. I've only recently started seeing threads discussing the real potential of Classes in certain scenarios, so there's no reason not to discuss it further. If we fall into a 1 Job/Class 1 Role mentality, we could be limiting ourselves from other possibilities.

Ok, I need to explain it with simple words

ME SAY FFXIV DPS DO DPS NOTHING ELSE
ME SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER GAMES DOESN'T MATTER
ME SAY IF SOMETHING VIABLE, ME WILL TEST AND PLAY
YOU UNDERSTAND ?

[Clavaat]

ME SAY IF SOMETHING VIABLE, ME WILL TEST AND PLAY

Why wouldn't you test and play something before you say it is viable? I would argue wholeheartedly that what happens in other games does matter, structurally speaking. Either way no reason to act that way, I was trying to be polite :/

[Alcyon1]

Why wouldn't you test and play something before you say it is viable? I would argue wholeheartedly that what happens in other games does matter, structurally speaking. Either way no reason to act that way, I was trying to be polite :/

Why don't you equip SKS on a BLM or SPS on a MNK ? Do you need to try it to know "not, this isn't viable" ? You get an estimation of the viability of something, then try it. Or do you test everything, like STR on a BRD ?