Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[SeraviEdalborez]

I hadn't noticed that you also tried to push for ACN support in the "Anyone tried i90 ACN?" thread with similarly bad anecdotes. Kind of makes sense now.

That's not condescending, and that's not "giving you crap". It's you continually citing worst-case examples and bad solutions to them.

[Exstal]

There isn't *any* unneeded hostility. It is rightly founded hostility. If you're willing to nerf your primary job to be a jack of all trades, then the issue is you're not doing your job and that's what people are hating.

[Kuroyasha]

*reads thread*........I don't understand....how did....wait....what? o_O

[scarebearz]

A good Arc could out-dps a bad Smn.

But a good Smn would far out-dps a good Arc.

By choosing to do poorer dps, it's very understandable random's would kick you and many would simply think your "trolling".

[Frion]

As a former XI player this thread made me very sad, he dragged the good name right through the mud with every mention of it.

This point has been said many times but let me just say this one more time in hopes it sticks(slim chances here). The numbers don't lie and are intentionally choosing to do less damage.

[spizsam]

People give smn too much credit in ff11.

Nobody played them in endgame. Endgame LS would laugh at you if you applied as only smn.

Smn in ff11 was a subpar whm all of the time, especially while they were leveling. You were lucky to get smn to max level pre-abyssea because smn was a huge gimp to exp parties. They only had two uses. One was hate free damage on HNMs, which rarely still happened. In old old old ff11 days, people would rather just have one or two thf or dd/thf SATA the tank nonstop while other dds can fight the HNMs. The only other use for smn was Alexander and that was still rarely used.

Sure you can get a bunch of smns together and go kill some trials, but I can solo the primals as rdm, so what did it really matter?

Smn in ff11 was trash, it was just all novelty. People need to stop making it sound like ff11 smn was great when they were just completely useless to anything in the game.

[jlewiss]

Look OP it really comes down to this. You made a thread to get answers, they weren't the answers you wanted but you got them nonetheless. There is really no point keeping this thread alive because your just going to continue getting flac. The amount of people that support your idea are far and few between and if this thread is any indication of in the in game world (it is) then at the present moment there is no need to play as a base classs. Your job as a dps is to provide dps, not make the healers job easier or the tanks job easier. When you as a dps class decide to play more for the sake of making a healers life easier rather then killing stuff faster your actually making everyones life harder.

You know those 7 seconds you took to cast convalesence and use physick on yourself? Thats now 7 seconds longer the fight has dragged on putting more strain on the healers mp and more strain on the tanks HP. I'm sorry if this is difficult to understand but your not finding some hidden loophole into playing the game more efficently. With the way the people in this game obessive over min/max if player as a class rather then a role was viable EVERYONE would be dong it. If this is really that huge of a gameplay hinderance to you then go start a thread in the suggestion forum for a boost to base class stats or something. Until then stop being so self involved and play as a job not a class.

[Cabalabob]

Ok to try and put this in perspective first, comparing arcanist to summoner is like comparing WAR/WHM to PLD/WAR in ffxi, WAR/WHM fulfils a similar role to a paladin having defensive skills and cures and also has a variety of other tools at its disposal. But it will never compare to a PLD/WAR where it counts, in it's ability to tank. It has less defence, less defensive moves and it's cures are not as powerful.

As for your tests, basing them over such a short period of time doesn't give you a full perspective of the job vs class. Your arcanist may have gotten a big burst out of having blood for blood and internal release, but these buffs last for less than a minute. Once that's done arcanist damage drops like a stone, while summoner can continually deal decent damage over the longer period.

As for defensive cooldowns, you lose defence and hp by using arcanist over summoner. As with above this means you gain some defensive cool downs for 5 seconds but after that your natural defence is weaker.

So even if arcanist gets bursts of higher damage than summoner in 10 seconds, over a longer period of say 5 minutes, it will deal less damage and be less defensive.

Then there is as others have said gear versatility, summoner gets access to the mythic set, it can combine the mythic set with the allagan set to build a set where the stats complement each other, like a spell speed set or a crit set. While arcanist can only use the allagan set, this means it gets a mix of crit and spell speed and can't specialise into a particular one. Meaning it gets watered down versions of every stat while summoner can pack on a stat to make those numbers count.

I don't agree with the way SE has set classes up like this, but for now that is how they are and it can't be argued that summoner produces worse numbers than arcanist.

[Pwnznewbz]

As someone that liked ACN and has built an i86 gear set to try out the possibilities of adventuring with Carbuncle, I can definitely relate to the want to try raids/instances as ACN instead of SMN. Having said that, you are extremely gimping dps. I've tried since creating my i90 ACN post and the dps, which I can confirm now, is at least 15% lower.

However, I don't think that is enough of a reason to get kicked from CT or other DF related raids/instances. Since ACN is a class choice for queuing, and you can que so long as you meet mandatory ilvl requirements, then your group should be fine with your involvement in the party. But, I am betting there is more to this story since you were indeed kicked from a CT raid... probably not doing something right such as pulling bosses early, or wiping the raid by not doing your role properly.

[loldrg]

10/10 thread would get trolled again.