Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[T0rin]

It blows my mind a good bit that this thread is still going.

Thread TL;DR - OP thinks FFXIV should be more like FFXI, and it isn't. He is sad, and wants to convince everyone that playing one game as though it were another is OK, and should not be frowned upon. Nobody agrees.

[Alcyon1]

snp

Erm. The guys is talking about ACN vs SMN in FFXIV NOW, I don't care about FFXI. I think most users are getting tired of "look at WOW" or "look at FFXI". FFXIV is actually designed as I said earlier, it might change, but actually a level 50 ACN in a group is just trolling.

PS No. Usual, a DPs using a stun is a burden in fights where stunning is important. To be honest, a MNK can silence in T1 and T2, but the dps loss is big and can be an issue.
PS2 I never played WOW, I probably started MMO's before you did.

[Rex]

OP,

The hostility is unneeded, that's for sure.

However, "classes" were designed for solo play because you can cross class more supportive abilities on a majority of classes. JOBS however, were designed for party play. So people expect you to be on a job when you are in a party. :/ just how it goes.

[jars]

FF14 is FF14, not 11, or wow

and in this game jobs are the primary end game roles, not base classes. you can't convince math formulas to output a different answer.

[EvanderStoneguard]

1st, to the OP. I agree with you to a certain extent. Dealing with PUGs sometimes you wish you have those extra ablities because ppl faceroll through CT, I know I have. I think having those extra utilites would be helpful for a group that is very new to content would be benefical. I see what you are trying to say and do and I think its ok.

But, say you as ARN get into a group that is very good. I would be frustrated seeing you trying to do extra buffs and heals that is not needed, when healing and buffs are covered then you need to focus soley on DPS. The problem that I see with your approach is if you are using DF you won't know what type of group you get. Personally I'm goign to suggest to my FC of doing HM primals, CT, and some other stuff as classes instead of jobs. I know our FC can easily get a group of 8 ready to do it. it would be a vanity project to have fun and not take the game so serious, but we would never do that if we were in new content trying to achive something.

[Clavaat]

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Those MMO's are referenced often because they are the biggest ones, with 2 very different schools of thought. And, frankly, almost every MMO can be classified between those 2 schools of thought. Please note the "almost" there. Saying that DPS should only DPS, Tank should only Tank, and Heal should only Heal is a misconception, and falls into the WoW mentality. The OP is exploring the options of Utility vs. Traditional Role, which I commend thoroughly, though I am fully aware it's not as viable currently. I've only recently started seeing threads discussing the real potential of Classes in certain scenarios, so there's no reason not to discuss it further. If we fall into a 1 Job/Class 1 Role mentality, we could be limiting ourselves from other possibilities.

[Trashy]

The OP is exploring the options of Utility vs. Traditional Role, which I commend thoroughly, though I am fully aware it's not as viable currently.

No he's not. Utility and hybridization are not the same thing. Utility is provided in XIV by things like Bard songs, Virus/E4E, stun, etc. Yes, FFXIV lacks in that. The OP does nothing to change that lack of utility though.

Arcanists provide nothing at all in utility that's not better provided by another class. An Arcanist provides versatility over the SMN. But that's a false choice. There is no point, in pretty much any game, when being able to do two things badly is better than doing one thing well.

[Alcyon1]

Those MMO's are referenced often because they are the biggest ones, with 2 very different schools of thought. And, frankly, almost every MMO can be classified between those 2 schools of thought. Please note the "almost" there. Saying that DPS should only DPS, Tank should only Tank, and Heal should only Heal is a misconception, and falls into the WoW mentality. The OP is exploring the options of Utility vs. Traditional Role, which I commend thoroughly, though I am fully aware it's not as viable currently. I've only recently started seeing threads discussing the real potential of Classes in certain scenarios, so there's no reason not to discuss it further. If we fall into a 1 Job/Class 1 Role mentality, we could be limiting ourselves from other possibilities.

Ok, I need to explain it with simple words

ME SAY FFXIV DPS DO DPS NOTHING ELSE
ME SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER GAMES DOESN'T MATTER
ME SAY IF SOMETHING VIABLE, ME WILL TEST AND PLAY
YOU UNDERSTAND ?

[Clavaat]

ME SAY IF SOMETHING VIABLE, ME WILL TEST AND PLAY

Why wouldn't you test and play something before you say it is viable? I would argue wholeheartedly that what happens in other games does matter, structurally speaking. Either way no reason to act that way, I was trying to be polite :/

[JetBrooks]