Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[Huntington]

First you say that arcanist dps is almost as good as summoner dps, then state that for stuff like coil, you won't use arcanist. If the dps difference was as negligible as you state, why wouldn't the "better utility" as an arcanist make it so that u stay as arcanist for ALL fights? I find it hard to take you seriously when your stance is neither here nor there.

So which is it you're trying to say? Arcanist is better dps than smn? Arcanist utility is better than smn? Then why add in the fact that you yourself would change to smn for coil and ex primals?

I've given my reasoning on all of those before :/

1. SMN utility is not anywhere near as good as ACN, the three viable abilities that SMN has right now is Raging Strikes, Quelling Strikes, and Swiftcast. ACN has all of those too, plus Stoneskin, Protect, Foresight, Convalescence, Aero, Blood for Blood, Internal Release, Awareness, and more. There's no one that can deny that if SMN had access to all of those, that it would be god-tier.
2. However, ACN does hit weaker than SMN does, I've never once said that I believe that SMN could be out-matched in a fight by a ACN, though I did a Parse at one time that had SMN one point lower than it, but whatever that's outdated by this point and no longer relevant. I played as ACN because I enjoyed it's versatility more than SMN's. Simple as that, it was more fun to me.
3. I won't take ACN into those fights because it's clear and evident that I need to be putting my best foot forward, of course I could dodge AoEs and still do damage as good as any other time, but other people will be expecting the highest order of stats and gear for those fights, I do not wish to argue with people all day about something if I want to just do a Duty mission and do something else, it's not worth the time. SMN has more damage capability than ACN as of now with the Class and Job split, so to save time, I'll grin and bear it and just play as SMN since it's my best DPS class right now.

Does that explain it?

[Maku]

reasons

However, any decent party will not need any of that utility because it will all be covered by the healers and SSkin is often covered by the PLD if they are not MT. Yes, a lot of us think you don't know what you are talking about but the only reason why we would think that is because we don't see the fun in gimping our damage to get "utility" that isn't needed ever.

And speaking as a Main SCH/WHM, longer lasting fights cause me more stress than anything else and by gimpin damage you are making it longer.

[Osmond]

After reading these 10 pages of sincere answers, some trolling, etc. idk why the dev teams made it to where classes can wear high ilvl gear, but it just isn't intended for it to be. Then again I never seen any endgame players even try it out for once to see how well it will do. It brought alot of ideas, but sadly we'll never see it happen....either the fear kicked in or just want to get it done quick, fast, and get tired of it once they beaten the current content. They should've just made it to where class jobs regarding in gear stopped at lvl 30.

[xEscaflownex]

Yes yes, the 15% give or take a margin of error of 5% of DPS loss in combat ability. If everything is going smoothly anyways most don't even care or notice, it's when I'm the last one alive and they're staring at me that they might speak up and ask about it.

In what? Wander's Palace, Ifrit HM? You don't do extremes, what fights is everyone dying in that you alone are surviving.

[xEscaflownex]

I've given my reasoning on all of those before :/

1. SMN utility is not anywhere near as good as ACN, the three viable abilities that SMN has right now is Raging Strikes, Quelling Strikes, and Swiftcast. ACN has all of those too, plus Stoneskin, Protect, Foresight, Convalescence, Aero, Blood for Blood, Internal Release, Awareness, and more. There's no one that can deny that if SMN had access to all of those, that it would be god-tier.

WHAT UTILITY???

I'm honestly lost, it's already been made clear that Blood for Blood and Internal release don't even remotely close the DMG gap. You think that adding Stoneskin, Protect, Foresight, Convalescense and Awareness would somehow made SMN "god-tier"? Not once, in any fight, have I ever found myself saying I wish I had any of these cross class skills.

What content are you doing where you are running around casting protect and stone skin on the party, or tanking something that requires you to need Foresight, Convalescense and Awareness??

[scarebearz]

ARC = Archer
ACN = Arcanist.
Your argument is invalid.

I should have realised using "Arc" during the context of this thread may have been a bit too hard for you to understand, apologies.

Did Titan HM several times today, another Summoner had Ifrit out, I told him to use Garuda. He changed instantly and we started the fight.
Hmm.

So someone uses the "wrong pet" and you put them right about it and they changed to improve their performance.

You on the other hand get told you should be playing Summoner and you go whine about it for 10 pages on a forum?

Makes perfect sense. :S

[Allyrion]

So someone uses the "wrong pet" and you put them right about it and they changed to improve their performance.

You on the other hand get told you should be playing Summoner and you go whine about it for 10 pages on a forum?

Makes perfect sense. :S

That irony is god-tier.

[Huntington]

WHAT UTILITY???

I'm honestly lost, it's already been made clear that Blood for Blood and Internal release don't even remotely close the DMG gap. You think that adding Stoneskin, Protect, Foresight, Convalescense and Awareness would somehow made SMN "god-tier"? Not once, in any fight, have I ever found myself saying I wish I had any of these cross class skills.

What content are you doing where you are running around casting protect and stone skin on the party, or tanking something that requires you to need Foresight, Convalescense and Awareness??

Perhaps I should have made it crystal clear what I was meaning. You could say all Jobs have great utility because if one is designated as a Healer, it will be great for healing. Et cetera with the other Jobs and Roles. Otherwise;
Utility: Utility is usefulness, the ability of something to satisfy needs or wants.
Versatility: capable of or adapted for turning easily from one to another of various tasks, fields of endeavor.

ACN has great utility and diversity because of what Cross Class abilities are available to it, and every other regular class. Therefore, Classes will have better Versatility than Jobs.
That said, I'm not saying I go around joining every party mid-session in low level dungeons or otherwise hoping that my DPS with role diversity can jump in and save the day with a Swiftcast Raise, then Protect and Stoneskin, then otherwise, just because I can. I have access to those actions and if need be and the situation presents itself, I can do those things. That's it.

[Huntington]

I should have realised using "Arc" during the context of this thread may have been a bit too hard for you to understand, apologies.



So someone uses the "wrong pet" and you put them right about it and they changed to improve their performance.

You on the other hand get told you should be playing Summoner and you go whine about it for 10 pages on a forum?

Makes perfect sense. :S

Because you imperfectly using the wrong acronym means I didn't understand from the start huh? Smooth recovery.

If every single post in the ten pages were mine you might actually have a legitimate point there, but no, you're actually far from the truth.

[scarebearz]

If every single post in the ten pages were mine you might actually have a legitimate point there, but no, you're actually far from the truth.

We are 10 pages in and your still whining about it, I think that's quite a valid point lol xD

I do think if you had a better attitude you would receive much less hostility in game and I expect less people would care that you were doing sub-par damage. You may even meet people to do CT with in a premade party.