Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[scarebearz]

What gives you the crystal clear authority to be able to look to someone else and say that just because they might have played for less time than you, that they themselves don't know anything? As far as it seems now, I'm being lectured by someone on an argument that comes off as heavily elitist-like.

You have made a thread asking questions, let you do not listen to the answers.

If you want to seriously gimp your dps, go ahead, but don't expect all random party members to be happy about it.

[T0rin]

I think this discussion could've gone more civilly and that's a shame.

It was, more or less, at first. Then as he began to bring XI into the conversation as some form of credibility in false assumptions, that's when things started to take a turn for the worse. It's one thing to want to try something new. It's another thing to go around saying something different is better, with nothing to back it up, but years of play time in another game. There is a lot of bad information that goes around these forums, which new players and people new to the forum might take as truth. I've always attempted to correct bad information as best I could, while informing myself better at the same time.

It is hard, though, to not become somewhat confrontational in the face of such petulance. When I'm being told simple things like relics are simply vanity items, weapon damage doesn't matter, and fester doesn't affect DPS. I mean, things we know as truth now are being rebutted in the face of everyone, with nothing to back it up. The spreading of misinformation really bothers me, especially when someone is so convinced they are right, and many people who have come before them have concretely proven them wrong. New players tend to believe the people who say things with confidence they are right, simply out of not knowing any better. They may even think this guy is right, because he believes it so strongly.

Anyways, to the OP.... you came here asking for questions to be answered, and you got your answers, with proof. You didn't want to believe it, and started up this little debate that inevitably you could not 'win'. Yet you persisted, and blame others, namely me, for being confrontational. Next time, be a little more open minded, especially in the face of the truth, and you might come away with a better result.

[Ardan]

So if I had to guess, every response OP has given has essentially been him covering his ears and going: "Lalalala I am not listening!". Sound about right?

[Allyra]

classes are not meant to be used past lvl.29 except for solo content

Fix'd for better accuracy.

Using classes are fine for anything solo-related (sbing in fates for example). They just aren't meant for group content.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Convalescence and Foresight for one, makes my heals better, and increases my naturally lower defense. I survived an AoE attack earlier thanks to Second Wind coupled with Blood for Blood, even without BfB it gives me a quick heal.

I can't let this go. There is so much wrong with this statement.

1) Foresight is already considered a garbage cooldown with high defense. With low defense you are barely going to notice the difference.
1a) Why are you getting hit by things Foresight would mitigate?
2) Convalescence only improves the strength of healing YOU RECEIVE.
2a) If that doesn't bother you... why are you healing yourself?
2aa) Why are you getting hit by things that would warrant you needing to heal yourself instead of a healer?
2b) It doesn't affect Second Wind
3) Blood for Blood doesn't increase Second Wind's healing.
4) Second Wind is based on your physical attack power (in other words, STR). It should be healing you for double digits at best.

Versatility is unnecessary.

[Almalexia]

The game that came before this and played a significant part on helping to influence and shape XIV had no part at all huh?

Well, not the damage mechanics.

XIV is transparent, linear, and highly predictable. XI is about as transparent as mud.

[Huntington]

I can't let this go. There is so much wrong with this statement.

1) Foresight is already considered a garbage cooldown with high defense. With low defense you are barely going to notice the difference.
1a) Why are you getting hit by things Foresight would mitigate?
2) Convalescence only improves the strength of healing YOU RECEIVE.
2a) If that doesn't bother you... why are you healing yourself?
2aa) Why are you getting hit by things that would warrant you needing to heal yourself instead of a healer?
2b) It doesn't affect Second Wind
3) Blood for Blood doesn't increase Second Wind's healing.
4) Second Wind is based on your physical attack power (in other words, STR). It should be healing you for double digits at best.

Versatility is unnecessary.

1. It gives me a 20% boost regardless, as of now, that gives me 338 instead of 282. Which is still enough to help if I get caught in the crossfire for something. inb4tankoryouisn'tstayingoutofthewaysoyou'reusingthatabilitybecauseofamistakeyoumade. Not all situations have to be anyone's fault, sometimes I get hit indirectly by something I would like to not have been hit by, I have this so I can help make a difference at staying alive if something doesn't go perfectly well.
1A. See first part.
2) I could swear that I've already said and elaborated on this. If some people are going to skip the rest of the thread and assume on what was posted before, just don't post at all. I pop Convalescence if I'm taking damage if an add is targeting me so that the Healer can fix me up quickly then get back to the tank or someone else, since Physick only heals for about 400 for me currently. If my health is critically low and the healer isn't getting to me right away, I will pop that then heal myself to make sure I survive so no one has to Raise me, including another SMN or otherwise. My Pet is still doing DPS, and my DoTs would have been up by this point.
2A. Blah
2AA. Blah blah
2B} Yes, Blood for Blood affects it. It raises all damage done by 30% on DRG, 10% otherwise. Second Wind's healing potency is affected by your current attack power, it does not say physical attack power, it says attack power overall. And if we're going to say that it actually means your physical attack power, then why has that not been included in the tooltip already?
4) Double digits? Ha. It heals for an average of 300 to 400 usually, that's enough to help me survive longer if it comes to it, and that's a nice small bit of healing that can serve a purpose if used right and I have abilities up.

[SeraviEdalborez]

"Attack Power" is on your character page under Physical Properties. It is equal to STR and is raised only by Berserk and other things that specifically raise "attack power". BfB raises "damage dealt" which is similar but not the same.

[xEscaflownex]

It's pointless to argue with him, it's impossible for him to see reason, he ignores all major points hes been defeated in, and then flounderes trying to argue the finer points of second wind, because it has such a great impact on any encounter.

I'm quite certain he is regarded as greatest NA player on his server and that everyone is constantly trying to get him in their groups!

I would bet much gil that whenever someone says "Hey, invite Dante Huntington!" it's as a joke, and is followed with the rest of the party lol'ing.

And mocking someone over the internet makes you the epitome of mature behavior and conduct doesn't it?

Hey, I never called your maturity level into question! Just your ingame decisions! If I knew you IRL I'd ask you what you were thinking too!

[Huntington]

It's pointless to argue with him, it's impossible for him to see reason, he ignores all major points hes been defeated in, and then flounderes trying to argue the finer points of second wind, because it has such a great impact on any encounter.

I'm quite certain he is regarded as greatest NA player on his server and that everyone is constantly trying to get him in their groups!

I would bet much gil that whenever someone says "Hey, invite Dante Huntington!" it's as a joke, and is followed with the rest of the party lol'ing.

And mocking someone over the internet makes you the epitome of mature behavior and conduct doesn't it?