Is there an unneeded hostility towards regular classes in this game?

[Allyra]

classes are not meant to be used past lvl.29 except for solo content

Fix'd for better accuracy.

Using classes are fine for anything solo-related (sbing in fates for example). They just aren't meant for group content.

[Viviza]

This has been both theorycrafted and tested -- the jobs simply outperform their base classes. I can't think of any examples where this is not the case. Maybe certain pvp setups. If arcanist outperformed summoner you wouldn't see any summoners and it would get patched up pretty quick. You're free to ignore all the math, but all the wishing in the world won't change the reality of it.

It's your subscription and entirely your option how you want to play. If you want to main Arcanist, all power to you. No one has any right to dictate how you spend your time. But when you group with other people, now you're interacting with their time. They get a vote in how your playstyle impacts their experience. They can refuse to group with you. Your point about playing in the manner you prefer falls flat when you impose this preference upon others.

Was it worth being kicked? Debatable. None of the given categories really fit. They may have assumed you were intentionally trolling them and reported it as harassment. I've seen people not playing jobs simply for sake of annoying others. I don't expect this attitude will change unless jobs are refined to act as options rather than upgrades.

[xEscaflownex]

I just spent like an hour doing bunch of 5 minute tests as SMN and as ACN, same exact gear sets (i87, allagan weapon), every single time I did 60+ DPS more on SMN than ACN, sorry, but the few extra cross class buffs don't even come close to overcoming loss of Fester, Contagion, 20 int, and Higher pet damage.

It's bad enough that so many people cant play their chosen Jobs proficiently, but at least they can learn and get better. You willfully and stubbornly refusing to play as SMN, and spending so much time and energy touting how you think ACN is better than SMN is so much worse, because even if you played them both to their maximum, ACN will lose everytime, so you are just limiting yourself regardless of skill.

Feel free to play however you wish, but I wouldn't be rushing to include you in any of my parties when you are willfully gimping your Damage, if it's some trivial content where group didn't need you to be doing good damage, or was some messing around group, fine, but for any content requiring all the DPS to be outputting their maximum, I would ask you to go SMN or GTFO!

[LostCody]

i had a argument about acn vs smn when the game was still new,i think it still holds up.

some guy on the forum.
all 5 dots (bio2, miasma, bio,aero,thunder) contagion value is 850 potency, bfb is 20% increase, ir is 10% increase average (20% crit), a total of 30% raw dps increase, 30% of 825 is 255.

me.
that's 255 character potency vs 200 pet potency.
factor in the 20 extra int just for being a smn,the extra ruin potency from the difference between fester/aero then that number gets smaller.
not even too mention that bfb is on a 80 sec cd and only last 20secs and for ir 60 sec cd and only 15 secs.during the minute and 45 second downtime respectively when your not doing that extra 30% you will get some vastly different numbers then if you just assumed it was a static 30%increase

that was the main argument for acn vs smn is they get access too all those buffs.


also this was the argument for the skills namely aero/energy drain making up for what you loose when you stay acn.

first off for aero and a energy drain too equal 1 fester it takes 12 seconds of the 18. so 3 aero=54 seconds and if you factor in the time inbetween aero casts from the gc its about the same time you get another stack of aether flow.
so that's an extra what 150 potency over the course of a min with aero.
but if a smn did not have aero he would replace an aero cast with a ruin cast.
so 3 aeros have put you in the down time of 7.5 seconds in waiting to cast something else.
in that time if you started off fresh you could cast 2 ruins in that time 3 if there ruin 2s.
so 2 ruins 160 potency or 3 ruin 2s 240 potency.

the whole aero+energy vs fester is worse off,not just on potency alone but in burst.smn already has shacky burst damage and removing fester and spur/enkindle only makes it worse.
now this is all off the top of my head and could be wrong,but the way I see it aero is not worth it and definitely not worth the spur/enkindle/fester trade off.
not too mention the potency difference on the pets alone and the int buff for just being a smn also the 20%damage of raging strikes.



long post short,it's not even an argument.
if you wanna play acn,whatever.you do you.
but when it comes down too smn vs acn the vs should be replaced with a >.

[Viridiana]

some guy on the forum.
all 5 dots (bio2, miasma, bio,aero,thunder) contagion value is 850 potency, bfb is 20% increase, ir is 10% increase average (20% crit), a total of 30% raw dps increase, 30% of 825 is 255.

me.
that's 255 character potency vs 200 pet potency.

Then factor in that both of those buffs got cut in half for the untraited versions. . .

[Ardan]

So if I had to guess, every response OP has given has essentially been him covering his ears and going: "Lalalala I am not listening!". Sound about right?

[SeraviEdalborez]

"Attack Power" is on your character page under Physical Properties. It is equal to STR and is raised only by Berserk and other things that specifically raise "attack power". BfB raises "damage dealt" which is similar but not the same.

[Huntington]

"Attack Power" is on your character page under Physical Properties. It is equal to STR and is raised only by Berserk and other things that specifically raise "attack power". BfB raises "damage dealt" which is similar but not the same.

My apologies. Attack Power nonetheless seems a pointless stat if we're going to be splitting up offensive abilities into so many different traits.

[xEscaflownex]

It's pointless to argue with him, it's impossible for him to see reason, he ignores all major points hes been defeated in, and then flounderes trying to argue the finer points of second wind, because it has such a great impact on any encounter.

I'm quite certain he is regarded as greatest NA player on his server and that everyone is constantly trying to get him in their groups!

I would bet much gil that whenever someone says "Hey, invite Dante Huntington!" it's as a joke, and is followed with the rest of the party lol'ing.

And mocking someone over the internet makes you the epitome of mature behavior and conduct doesn't it?

Hey, I never called your maturity level into question! Just your ingame decisions! If I knew you IRL I'd ask you what you were thinking too!

[Huntington]

It's pointless to argue with him, it's impossible for him to see reason, he ignores all major points hes been defeated in, and then flounderes trying to argue the finer points of second wind, because it has such a great impact on any encounter.

I'm quite certain he is regarded as greatest NA player on his server and that everyone is constantly trying to get him in their groups!

I would bet much gil that whenever someone says "Hey, invite Dante Huntington!" it's as a joke, and is followed with the rest of the party lol'ing.

And mocking someone over the internet makes you the epitome of mature behavior and conduct doesn't it?