SE, Please fix this FC exploit

[PArcher]

I wonder if people with these replies even read the post? :/ It was super restricted. It's a flaw. If the flaw wasn't there, no harm would have come to this FC.

Except it wasn't super-restricted.

There are 5 possible ranks...why should someone with the middle rank be able to promote? It just doesn't make much sense to me to allow that; yay, you can promote from rank 5 to rank 4! Why?

I personally don't think anyone under rank 2 should be able to promote, but that's just me. I also wouldn't allow anyone I don't know and trust to have promotion powers in the first place.

Allowing someone new to have promotion powers just doesn't seem right to me.

[Greed]

Except it wasn't super-restricted.

There are 5 possible ranks...why should someone with the middle rank be able to promote? It just doesn't make much sense to me to allow that; yay, you can promote from rank 5 to rank 4! Why?

I personally don't think anyone under rank 2 should be able to promote, but that's just me. I also wouldn't allow anyone I don't know and trust to have promotion powers in the first place.

Allowing someone new to have promotion powers just doesn't seem right to me.

If it work normally -> than third rank can only promote to fourth rank -> not to second rank
(It's like supervisor can choose who become general manager....)

edit to save daily post number -_-

I said it before, if you read the thread, that it should work that way...but then you get the situation in the quote, where you can only move them from rank 5 to rank 4...which then...why bother?

to move members from casual to raider.

But...allowing a newcomer such power is a bad idea, even if its just for rank 5 to rank 4. Chances are, they also have dismissal powers, and can really do a number on your lower-ranked members that way.

if it work normally (normally like in common sense) than it should be no problem to give new raid leader such power

[PArcher]

If it work normally -> than third rank can only promote to fourth rank -> not to second rank

I said it before, if you read the thread, that it should work that way...but then you get the situation in the quote, where you can only move them from rank 5 to rank 4...which then...why bother?

But...allowing a newcomer such power is a bad idea, even if its just for rank 5 to rank 4. Chances are, they also have dismissal powers, and can really do a number on your lower-ranked members that way.

[cearka]

that...is a big exploit.

thanks for spreading awareness of it so other FC's can insulate themselves from this.

[ArkhamNative]

The leader, myself, and another 2nd in command have sent in player abuse/RMT tickets and have only gotten copy and paste responses back. Part of that response states that they can't do anything about it because "it is working as intended" and that if we want it changed to post on the Lodestone.
We are going to try the STF next to try and get our gil back.
The person who did this is still hopping from FC to FC to try and scam them. He begs to be given permissions which will allow him access to their FC chest.

Of course this is a flaw. And of course that person is a thief that needs to be banned. And your savings should be returned to you.
You know there will be others who either will try this, or realize they already have that privilege and will drain the FC dry, slowly or quickly. SE needs to put something in place ASAP to prevent this.
I'll warn people I know. And I hope you'll respond to /tells requesting names and more information. (I understand why SE doesn't want names posted forever in public.)

[Lumia]

Of course this is a flaw. And of course that person is a thief that needs to be banned. And your savings should be returned to you.
You know there will be others who either will try this, or realize they already have that privilege and will drain the FC dry, slowly or quickly. SE needs to put something in place ASAP to prevent this.
I'll warn people I know. And I hope you'll respond to /tells requesting names and more information. (I understand why SE doesn't want names posted forever in public.)

I will be happy to share via /tell or you can also check out the Balmung facebook page for names and additional screenshots of the FC activity log from when this happened.

[Traek]

I hope this gets fixed for you guys, and money returned. Really a bad system to allow such a thing.

[Gethyn]

I think the point was, it was a merge. They gave the new leader less power than all the other officers, but enough of a rank that he could set up a raid team (which, to my understanding, is what he promised them.) New lower-rank officer then accepted, and promoted the gilseller-named account to regular officer, or fc master status, that account stole all the money, and then presumably transferred it somewhere and deleted itself.

This was not the original guild's fault. It is unfortunate, it shouldn't have been able to happen, and the guy that pulled it off is a scumbag. The point of this thread is not so that we can blame the original fc for setting their fc up in a reasonable way, but that we can be aware there is a problem, and that morally ambiguous individuals will use it to scam people.

And really. Since when do we decide that the actions of a thief are without blame, and we need to instead blame the people he stole for being stolen from? Come on community, you can do better.

[princesst3a]

And really. Since when do we decide that the actions of a thief are without blame, and we need to instead blame the people he stole for being stolen from? Come on community, you can do better.

^This. Like. What is up with some people? There's a flaw in the FC rank design that someone exploited under the FC leaders' noses. That's all this is about. Not what they could've done to prevent the theft from happening. What is up with the victim-blaming?

I reeeeaaally hope you guys can get this resolved somehow, some way. I can't even imagine losing that much Gil and what work it took to accumulate it. ;; good luck.

[Randelmire]

I think the point was, it was a merge. They gave the new leader less power than all the other officers, but enough of a rank that he could set up a raid team (which, to my understanding, is what he promised them.) New lower-rank officer then accepted, and promoted the gilseller-named account to regular officer, or fc master status, that account stole all the money, and then presumably transferred it somewhere and deleted itself.

This is exactly what happened.

The "RMT looking character" was promoted to rank #2, which is an officer with almost all rights. (Used for months only by the master's wife)