SE, Please fix this FC exploit

[SchalaZeal]

There are 5 possible ranks...why should someone with the middle rank be able to promote? It just doesn't make much sense to me to allow that; yay, you can promote from rank 5 to rank 4! Why?

I have 9 ranks, and could have added more.

All ranks can invite (even the 9th rank). Only the first two ranks can promote. Only the first 3 ranks can kick. And only the first two ranks can set permissions (they have identical permissions, lead and co-lead). Only the first two ranks can withdraw gil. And all but the lowest can deposit items or gil.

Officers (the 3rd rank) can play with actions (buy, use, discard) and modify company board. And that's about it. The 5th and 6th rank are longtime contributors who proved their value. The 4th rank is a "recruitment officer". The 7th rank is where people go by default after 2 days of activity. The 8th rank is AWAY for people planning to not be there a while, no privileges except invite. The 9th is the default for new people, no privileges except invite.

[ArkhamNative]

I was noticing SE routinely posts and stickies security notices to its news section, such as:

• [Important] Warning Regarding Square Enix ID/Password Fraud
• [Important] Warning Concerning the Security of Your Account

Undoubtedly this in-game exploit deserves at least this much notice by SE. (And hopefully, with SE being the enabler and its own customers being the individuals with malicious intent, they would also choose to fix this problem rather than continue to post warnings about their own deficiencies.)

[Fricca]

Lol wow, all of your hard work and dedication gone just like that and you'd think they would have a better reply than "working as intended". Really SE? If this were to happen to my fc we would have quit a long time ago. Shows that they don't really care about us and just makes ridiculous nerfs like myth cap being gone and farmable coil while some of us had to do it for months just to get something. I don't really know anymore, I love this game but SE is killing it for me right now.

[Skyhound]

As someone who has played EVE online for a very long time, this is baby stuff to me.

On EVE, there have been full-scale white collar heists into the biggest Corporations(EVE's version of guilds) to gain bank rights to steal trillions of ISK. That's the kind of stuff that constantly puts EVE in gaming news. On that game it's pretty much an accepted fact that you have to be careful of who you can trust, it's a major draw of the game.

Though the system is different on EVE, only the LEADER of the guild can promote people and Directors(Second in commands) have all other rights, including accessing the guild bank. Normally you will have people basically become your best friend to be your director, then they swipe all your money and delete the account. Heck, there was one instance where a whole major guild was created and when they were close to reaching the top, they swiped all of the donated money and disappeared. Yet EVE is possibly one of the most well known and popular hardcore MMOs out there.

This is a lesson for all FCs, stop arbitrarily giving powers away. Organizing an FC is arguably "hardcore content", you have to be prepared for developments like these.

[ArkhamNative]

As someone who has played EVE online for a very long time, this is baby stuff to me.
On EVE, there have been full-scale white collar heists into the biggest Corporations(EVE's version of guilds) to gain bank rights to steal trillions of ISK. [...]

Well, in a PvE game like this, the avenues of retribution are very limited. However, SE needs to make a definitive statement whether this kind of subterfuge (and retaliation) is or is not against the ToS. That would at least let everyone know where they stand. (Of course, naming someone publicly for doing something not against the ToS would not be against the ToS.)

[Panda6243]

As someone who has played EVE online for a very long time, this is baby stuff to me.

This is a lesson for all FCs, stop arbitrarily giving powers away. Organizing an FC is arguably "hardcore content", you have to be prepared for developments like these.

For one thing, this isn't EVE. Free Companies aren't just focused on end game content. I disagree that FC's are "Hardcore Content". The biggest benefits to FC's are guild storage, a small buff, and an ability to customize your gear with the FC logo. I can hardly see how any of this benefits "hardcore content" excepting maybe the small buff benefit. If anything FC's are more about helping lower level characters reach endgame. You don't even really need a FC to play the game. Linkshells work fine.

The nice thing about a FC is that it brings people together. The communal storage is a great way for players to interact without them having to constantly trade. Additionally the communal bank serving as a deposit point lets people support and assist the efforts of the company. I fully agree that the Hierarchy of ranks should work within the ability to promote/demote. It's a good thing to be able to show people in your group that X person deserves special recognition/status but it should not be carte blanc. Powers aren't arbitrarily appointed - the only major mistake here was trusting that the hierarchy system would serve as a means to control privileges. Or a failure to research the matter. Either way I know that the FC's coffers being emptied were my failure as a Guildmaster. If we get our gil back, that would be fantastic. However, I understand the responsibility ultimately falls on the individuals in this situation. I simply hope that this small change to how FC's work will ultimately better the game's content.

[Randelmire]

I was noticing SE routinely posts and stickies security notices to its news section, such as:

• [Important] Warning Regarding Square Enix ID/Password Fraud
• [Important] Warning Concerning the Security of Your Account

Undoubtedly this in-game exploit deserves at least this much notice by SE. (And hopefully, with SE being the enabler and its own customers being the individuals with malicious intent, they would also choose to fix this problem rather than continue to post warnings about their own deficiencies.)

This is a really good idea

[Kimikryo]

Shows that they don't really care about us and just makes ridiculous nerfs like myth cap being gone and farmable coil while some of us had to do it for months just to get something. I don't really know anymore, I love this game but SE is killing it for me right now.

translation:

I had to give my soul, my first born child, half my liver and 1 kidney to have what I now have.
Future generation shall get it easier? That's outrageous!

[Lumia]

This is a really good idea

I agree. It would be really helpful to have this made aware to everyone if it can't be fixed right away.

[Panda6243]

I was noticing SE routinely posts and stickies security notices to its news section, such as:

• [Important] Warning Regarding Square Enix ID/Password Fraud
• [Important] Warning Concerning the Security of Your Account

Undoubtedly this in-game exploit deserves at least this much notice by SE. (And hopefully, with SE being the enabler and its own customers being the individuals with malicious intent, they would also choose to fix this problem rather than continue to post warnings about their own deficiencies.)

I agree. This would be a good temporary solution until a permanent solution can be worked in.